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A Court of Wings and Ruin by Sarah J. Maas, Lucien Gets a Sunshine Daddy and Tamlin Gets Negative Redemption Points, Pt 3

A Court of Wings and Ruin by Sarah J. Maas, Lucien Gets a Sunshine Daddy and Tamlin Gets Negative Redemption Points, Pt 3
A Court of Wings and Ruin by Sarah J. Maas, Lucien Gets a Sunshine Daddy and Tamlin Gets Negative Redemption Points, Pt 3
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A Court of Wings and Ruin by Sarah J. Maas, Lucien Gets a Sunshine Daddy and Tamlin Gets Negative Redemption Points, Pt 3

In Part 3 of A Court of Wings and Ruin by Sarah J. Maas, Feyre and Rhysand prepare for war against Hybern while Lucien’s shocking parentage, Tamlin’s questionable redemption, Elain’s heartbreak, and Nesta and Cassian’s growing connection give us plenty to scream about. G-Rex, Dirty Skittles, and Nacho unpack the High Lords’ disastrous meeting, the Suriel’s devastating fate, the Archeron family’s heartbreak, and a battlefield full of sacrifice, chaos, and assholes who occasionally do the right thing.

Spoiler Warning

Heads up, confessors: this is a SPOILER-HEAVY episode.

We're deep into A Court of Wings and Ruin, and the High Lords are fighting, family secrets are spilling, and the war against Hybern is officially making everybody suffer.

If you're not caught up, turn around now. Tamlin's redemption score is already in the negatives, and we're not responsible for your emotional damage.

The Book

  • Title: A Court of Wings and Ruin
  • Series: Book 3 of the A Court of Thorns and Roses series
  • Author: Sarah J. Maas
  • Spice / Heat: Less actual smut, more horny High Lords discussing threesomes while the world prepares to burn. Apparently, Prythian has priorities.
  • Tropes: Fated mates, found family, hidden parentage, forbidden love, morally gray characters, reluctant alliances, redemption, magical bargains, family loyalty, war, sacrifice

The Confession

Turns out, saving Prythian requires teamwork, sacrifice, and a room full of powerful people who can barely stand each other.

Lucien may have been robbed of a much better daddy, Tamlin is fighting for redemption points nobody wants to give him, and Elain learns the hard way that love doesn't always survive becoming fae.

Then the war arrives.

And suddenly it's not just about winning. It's about family, forgiveness, and what you're willing to lose for the people you love.

Also, Ianthe finally meets someone with a much bigger appetite for bullshit.

Keywords: A Court of Wings and Ruin, ACOWAR, ACOTAR, Sarah J. Maas, Feyre Archeron, Rhysand, Tamlin redemption, Lucien Vanserra, Helion, Day Court, Nesta Archeron, Cassian, Elain Archeron, King of Hybern, Suriel death, Ianthe, High Lords meeting, fantasy romance podcast, Paperback Confessions

The Pour

  • Cocktail: Sunshine Daddy Spritz — a bright citrus-and-prosecco situation in honor of Lucien's dramatically upgraded family tree.
  • Alternate drink: High Lords' Thanksgiving Old Fashioned — whiskey, bitters, and enough attitude to survive the most dysfunctional family dinner in Prythian.
  • Non-alcoholic option: Suriel's Final Tea — a comforting honey-and-lemon iced tea for the one creature who always brought the information and deserved so much better.

Just the Tip

Does doing one good thing actually redeem someone who's spent years being an asshole?

Tamlin helps the war effort and even saves Feyre, but G-Rex and Nacho aren't rushing to forgive him.

Dirty Skittles later sees the possibility of redemption, but he still questions his motives.

Because saving someone's life doesn't automatically erase what you did to them before.

And sometimes a heroic act is just a heroic act.

What We Get Into

  • Rhysand's suspicious string-pulling
  • Lucien's secret father and Sunshine Daddy Helion
  • Tamlin's ongoing redemption-point crisis
  • The High Lords' Thanksgiving dinner from hell
  • Threesomes, seating arrangements, and questionable Oreos
  • Elain's heartbreak and Nesta's protective rage
  • Feyre recruiting the Bone Carver and other terrifying allies
  • Amren's secrets and the Cauldron
  • The Archeron sisters' father and a devastating goodbye
  • Feyre and Azriel's rescue mission into Hybern's camp
  • Nesta sensing danger and saving Cassian
  • The Suriel's death and Ianthe becoming Weaver food

Favorite Chaos Moments

  • G-Rex: “Lucien spent his entire life thinking that Beron, this fucking asshole, was his dad, when apparently his actual dad was a horny bisexual sunshine lord.”
  • G-Rex: “Bad people can do heroic things, but that doesn't automatically make them a good person again. Okay? You're still an asshole.”
  • Dirty Skittles: “Or maybe it doesn't matter. He would take them both. And Rhys and Feyre.”
  • Dirty Skittles: “She's like Michael Myers in Halloween.”
  • Nacho: “Fuck all the way off, dude. Fuck all the way off. Pick a side, or don't pick a side, but take your drama somewhere else.”
  • Nacho: “The cauldron just does not give any fucks.”

Our First Impressions

G-Rex has absolutely no patience for Tamlin's bullshit, even when he does something heroic. She loves Feyre's willingness to fight back, mourns the Suriel, and is convinced Lucien deserved a much better father.

Dirty Skittles tries to untangle the increasingly complicated family connections while giving Tamlin a tiny chance at future redemption. Elain's rejection hurts, but Nesta's final moments with her father hit even harder.

Nacho is still questioning Rhysand's manipulation and sees Tamlin as a bitter, revenge-driven mess. They love the high-stakes battlefield chaos, dissect the emotional significance of Nesta and Cassian, and are unexpectedly devastated by the Suriel.

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00:00 - The Road to War and Rhysand’s Secrets

01:17 - Feyre’s Future Child and Lucien’s Real Daddy

05:08 - Does Tamlin Deserve Redemption Points?

06:48 - The High Lords’ Thanksgiving Dinner From Hell

09:36 - Threesomes, Oreos, and High Lord Seating Arrangements

11:33 - Elain, Graysen, and Nesta’s Protective Rage

14:05 - The Bone Carver, the Mirror, and Feyre’s Bargains

16:28 - Amren’s Secrets and the War Against Hybern

17:49 - Papa Archeron’s Devastating Goodbye

19:16 - Elain’s Rescue and Tamlin’s One Heroic Moment

23:37 - Nesta Saves Cassian From the Cauldron

26:28 - The Suriel’s Death and Ianthe’s Final Dinner

29:20 - Nesta’s Fury, Cassian’s Injuries, and Truth-Teller

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The masks are off, the alliances are being tested, and the road to the

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war is getting bloodier by the minute. In episode 3

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of A Court of Wings and Ruin, loyalties will be challenged, secrets will

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unravel, and Feyre and the inner circle will discover just how

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much they're willing to sacrifice to save Prythian.

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There's a lot of things that I think are staged by him, and

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that, that's why I don't get so— like,

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I'm happy that they're in love and lust and all this, but...

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There's so many times throughout these books

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where you just can feel that,

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the, like, string pulling by

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Rhys. And what else do Rhys and Feyre have going

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on that we don't know about yet?

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That's a good question. I totally forgot that he finds

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out in this book that what Feyre sees when she's at the Bone

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Carver is their child. Yeah. Yes. And so there's a

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bit of hope for him because he wants to have a child with Feyre. So

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when he hears that it is their child, he asks,

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what does he look like? Tell me what our child looks like. And

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what a powerful child that would be, right? Like

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all the power that— I'm getting ahead of myself,

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but— No, you're not. Say it. Because of all the power that

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they both will have, both have as parents, and then to conceive a

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child. But I thought the other interesting thing About this whole

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section is how we figure out who Lucien's true father is.

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I— you'll have to break it down for me because I read it, I

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listened to it and I read it and I don't get it. Like, I was

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like, who's this guy? What's happening? There's— there was a lot of characters in this

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book. Okay, so the,

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the High Lord of Day Court— Day

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Court. He's the Puzzle Master, right? Or whatever they call him.

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He figures out all the riddles and whatever.

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He's also the one that, anecdote,

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sleeps with Mor. Yes. And wants a

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threesome. He wants a threesome, yeah,

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with— is it Cassian or Azriel? Azriel. Or maybe it

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doesn't matter. He would take them both. And Rhys and Feyre. He's— Yeah, no, he's

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like— The more the merrier. Yes. My kind of dude. Let's have an

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orgy and call it a day. Yeah. Who tells the story?

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It's, it's him, that king, talking.

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And in that, Feyre is

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internally putting all the pieces together. And Rhysand says to

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her, whatever you just figured out, just keep it quiet.

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So Rhysand had to have known. I think so. Or

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he suspected, right? Yeah. So at some point,

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Lucien's mom has an affair

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with the High Lord of Day Court, and

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the resulting affair produces Lucien. The

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husband of the mom can't acknowledge it because then

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he appears weak. Mm-hmm.

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So she just kind of keeps it under wraps, doesn't tell

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Lucien. But the High

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Lord of The Day Court

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doesn't know, but I don't know. Do you think Tamlin

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knows? I don't even think that Tamlin knows. And,

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and Lucien is like, you know, off to find,

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uh— Yeah, he's not even there. He's not even there. So like, in that moment,

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it's like, you know, Lucien spent his entire life thinking that

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Beron, this fucking asshole, was his dad,

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when apparently his actual dad was a horny

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bisexual sunshine lord. Yeah. And he got

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robbed, right? He got robbed because, like,

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Sunshine Daddy would have been so much better. I

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like that. It would have been so, so much better for him than Baron was

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because Baron was also abusing his wife.

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Maybe we'll get that in the next upcoming books, a little, a

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little sneak peek because I ask if, if you

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think Tamlin knew because wasn't Tamlin the one that helped Lucien get that eye, the

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mechanical eye? And then I, I remember the Day Court, that,

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uh, helper or whatever has the mechanical arm. The lady who made the,

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the anecdote also made the

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eyeball that Lucien uses, right?

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Just curious, like, why go there? So I'm a little

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curious just because we're like in this section.

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Does Tamlin helping the war effort and spying on Hyberian

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actually earn him redemption points, or does it just prove shitty

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people can still occasionally do the right thing?

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Ooh, I don't— Nah, he's a fucking slimebag. I

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will— okay, you know my feelings on Tamlin.

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Mm-hmm. I don't think he's—

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I don't think this earns him points. And here's why. Here's why.

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He earns points for me later on in the book, but I don't think— Like

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1 point? Probably a little bit

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more, but I don't think this moment does because he was

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selfishly doing it for himself, right? He's not doing it to help the whole

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world or the human realm. I think he's doing it because it looks

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good to do it, and he doesn't want to be the one in history

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who didn't do it. So I think he's doing that for himself to have a

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one-up. on the rest of the team. I

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think he's just a slimebag. I think so too.

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In this whole situation, right up until the end of the book, he's just

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a slimebag. Just not— again, not—

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at least before, he had a purpose. But now he's

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just being a big whiny baby. Right? Yeah. Now he's just

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picking and packing, and now he needs revenge, and now he's going to go tell

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Hybern all these things, and now he's gonna this and that and everything else.

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Fuck all the way off, dude. Fuck all the way off. Pick a

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side, or don't pick a side, but

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take your drama somewhere else. Yeah. And then my other

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question for the two of you guys is, who was the biggest asshole in this

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meeting? Was it Tamlin, Beron, or literally everybody

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at the meeting?

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I think every well asshole. I think

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everybody well maybe not everybody. There's half of them. Half of them are

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assholes because they don't get along naturally, but somehow find

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that they need to work together. Common ground. Yeah, they're like we're here because we

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have to be, not because we chose to be. What are you

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thinking, Nacho? You're lost in thought. Nah, Tamlin's an asshole.

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Tamlin no, Tamlin's an asshole. Tamlin is like right

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now uh. Makes me think of that song,

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um, sitting in

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the corner losing my religion.

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Ariana, is that? No, it's Ariana. Is it Ariana? Yeah,

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yeah. But it just—

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I'm right, exactly.

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Yeah, I'm just sitting there like losing. So

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there's a lot that goes on with that song for me, but It's

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just like, I'm losing all control. I know

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that's not what it— like the song, whatever, but that's like the

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clip that like sits in my brain when we talk about

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this. And it's like

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he's losing control, and so now he's just grabbing

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at any way to

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access any amount of

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Revenge that he can grasp on

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Feyre and the Night Court because

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he's in ruins.

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Yeah, he for sure is bitter. For sure. For me, that

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shit is bitter. Uh, I almost feel like

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he's trying to rebuild all she broke. So like,

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not only did she get your your guards to turn against you. And like,

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he has like, I don't know, 5 followers now, but he is

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still a High Lord. And so he's trying to rebuild this image, but there ain't

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fucking nothing there helping him, you know? Like, he— what is he gonna do? He

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can't do anything. He brought it all on himself. Except for be an

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asshole. And like, the whole meeting to me, you know,

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here's this group of like super powerful people, right?

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And like half the meeting feels like it's Thanksgiving dinner after somebody

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brings up politics. Everybody's at their fucking— you know, you're—

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everybody's at each other's throats. Yeah. We've accomplished

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nothing, okay? There's no right side, there's no wrong side, there's

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no fucking middle ground. Uh, I have a question for both of you.

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Who would you sit next to at this dinner?

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You're at the table. Who's to your left?

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I would sit next to, um,

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Callas. Um, he just— he

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has like, I don't know, as I'm reading the book, I just kind of

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felt like the pheromones and like, oh, like the possibilities.

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So we could go have a threesome, um, with some really scary people.

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But I— and then to my, to my left would

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be Um,

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uh, the lady of the,

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um,

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not, not Autumn Court. The one who's married?

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Yeah, the one that's like— That's like Mor's friend or whatever? Yeah, Mor's friend. I

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would sit next to her. Yeah, I'm sitting next to Mor, bro.

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I feel like she's a good time. That's what

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I'm saying is I want to sit between— I want to, I want to be

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in the middle of a Cass— I want to be in the middle of a

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Cassian and Mor/Sami I want to so bad, but

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I think I would have better luck if I was sitting next to, uh, the

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king of acorn. So is Cassie

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in the, uh, center of your Oreo? Is he

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like the creamy center? No, I'm in the middle taking both, both sides.

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She's like, I'm the creamy center. Yes,

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yes, dog. Oh my God, I love

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it. I am here for that so bad. That's

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wonderful. Who says that? Me. Yeah, no,

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I would be— I would be— I— who cares? I'm

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sitting at the table with these great people that are trying

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to do a good thing, and, uh,

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nobody can get their shit together. Nobody can get their shit together.

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Nobody.

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Okay, so this dinner happens. I think during that there is

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word that there are attacks happening elsewhere. Now everybody's like, fuck, we got to get—

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we got to get our shit together.

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Rhys and team return back to the Night Court,

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and at some point the decision is made that they need to make it

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over to the human realm. And I felt—

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I don't know, I was super fucking conflicted because I feel like this whole

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time Elain has been trying to go back. To her

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human realm, and so she throws up her fiancé's

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because that's still her fiancé. They're still going to get married according to

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Elaine. Yeah. So no worries. I my

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father-in-law has this beautiful place. Tall walls will be protected. We need to

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go there. And people are trying to talk her out of it. And this is

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where I felt like oh man because I feel like they're trying to like get

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her to understand that like this isn't going to go well. Like you

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gotta let it go. And she's like no no no. No, he loves me. We

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love each other. We're, we're engaged to be married. I just need to go back.

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And, um, like, it's like she forgets that she's fae

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and that him and his father are completely anti-fae,

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and she doesn't realize that, that he is possibly

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not gonna love her because of that. Yeah, this is when she finds out

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that Grayson's an asshole. Yeah.

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Yeah. Like, just a fucking flaming asshole.

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Yeah. And I'm pretty sure— doesn't Nesta, like,

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punch him or something? Slaps him.

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Once the asshole that is— his name's

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Grayson. Once Grayson reveals, like, fuck you, you're fae,

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uh, and is mean to Elain, Nesta's like, no, the fuck you didn't, and,

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like, slaps the shit out of him. Because that's her sister. And, and you

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said it earlier, she is like viciously protective over Elayne.

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Yeah, she's like her protective Doberman. Don't fuck with me, sister.

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We will rip your nuts off. He basically rejects her and he's

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like, we're not engaged anymore. Give me my fucking ring. She's like—

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Which is tame for Nesta. Um, that's foreshadowing.

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Um, okay, what else do we want to talk about

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before we get into the war? Oh,

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something that we haven't mentioned is, um, how at some point they realize

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they, they need more of an army, right? Like, they need more help in this

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battle. Yeah, and then they have to go,

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um, they go to Moor's dad, right? Because

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Moor's dad Has an army. I don't know,

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mountain of death or whatever the fuck you want to call it. Anyways,

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he's being kind of a dick, and so then she goes back

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down to the bone carver, and the

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bone carver says, in order for you to get my help,

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you need to get this magic mirror from

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Mor's dad. But like, it, it becomes like this whole

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fucking thing because it's not something that can easily, easily be

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done. And Mor's dad is like, yeah, go right

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ahead. You can have the— you can go in and use the mirror. You can

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try to take it if you want, but in order to take it, you have

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to look into it. And everybody that's ever looked into it has either

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gone crazy or whatever, died or whatever. Yeah.

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So she's like, not worth it. She's like, I don't want to do that.

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Farrah's like, I— like, that's, that's

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fucking dumb. I don't want to do that. So she tries

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to get support from, uh,

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the Bone Carver, but the Bone Carver smells his sister,

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the Weaver, on her. And

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so— but the Bone Carver, like, downloads all this

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information about his history to her, and, like,

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it's a lot. Yeah. There's just a lot that happens right there.

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But, um, then she goes down into

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the library and she asks the thing in the library. The thing

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in the library. It's a scary thing. Mmm.

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And that thing's like, uh, yeah, I'll help you,

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but I— what is it like— I need a window

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and then I'll help you. And Feyre was like, oh,

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okay. So now she has another bargain.

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Um, because it's her bright idea to get these creatures to help them in this

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war. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, because she doesn't want to look in the fucking mirror.

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He's like, let's gather up, gather around, guys. Let's just

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avoid the fact that this is the one thing that's gonna happen. And why can't

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I just be the heroine of my own story? But whatever.

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I think honestly the best stuff that happens after is the

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war. Like, that is like where it all goes down. I am curious though, and

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something I didn't quite understand is

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Amren lies. Amren lies

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about, um, once the cauldron is put together, what will

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happen. Oh yeah. Because Amren's goal

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is to escape. Like, she, she doesn't want to be

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bound in that body anymore. So for Amren, this is like her

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last hurrah. Once that cauldron's put together, she can She

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can fuck off to wherever she goes. The war is upon us.

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Rhysand and Feyre have gathered the armies that they have. There are

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other courts that show up to help in the battle in this fight, right?

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And if you haven't heard the audiobook, The War, it's

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like really good, like the graphic audio, because you can hear like the swords and

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the battles and the cries and all this shit. And then you hear like Feyre

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and Rhysand and Mor and everybody talking about like

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Okay, what are we going to do next? They need to get the cauldron. There's

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these 3 pieces. Feyre needs to put the 3

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together. There's 3, 3 things that happened during this war that really fucked me up.

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We should talk about, for the first time,

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the Archeron sisters' dad shows up

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and the whole dialogue between Daddy

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Archeron and Nesta.

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Fucked me up. Why? Fucked me up.

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Because he's basically on death's doorstep. You know he's

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gonna die. The King of Hybern is there. He's gonna kill this

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dad. And he tells Nesta, like— I'm so

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proud of you. You're so strong. Yes! That shit

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fucked me up. Because the dad knows what's about

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to happen? I was like, oh, this is my dad. My

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dad. Well, it's like, because she absolutely

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hates her dad, right? Yeah. And

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he just wants her to hear it from him before he dies, that

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I know that you hate me, and I— and it's okay. And when you,

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like, are ready to deal with it, just know that I love you. I've always

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loved you. I'm proud of you. And you're like, yeah, you know,

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just remember that I'm saying this. So he's, like,

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caring for her right up until He actually

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dies. Yeah.

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All of that. And I think she

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sees— like, they finally see each other, and that the love that is

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there for her dad exists. And then the dad dies. He's fucking

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killed by the King of Hybern. Hybern snaps his neck.

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Important foreshadowing! I know, but there's

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a whole scene before that of where Elaine

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gets lured out of the camp by the cauldron

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and then gets captured by the Hiberian soldiers.

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Mm-hmm. And

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like, literally, what the fuck? Okay, Tamlin being Tamlin,

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an asshole. Redemption for like

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1,000th of a second, and then back

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to asshole land. Yeah, because he helps— because

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Feyre and Azriel go in to get—

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go into the Hybern camp to get, uh,

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Elain. Yeah. And then they're trying to escape

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because Feyre sees this person who's hung up like

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in the first book, some girl,

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some children, a child of the corn or whatever,

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and, and

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And this fucking asshole. They're always going to be the children of the corn.

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Yeah. Always. Never going to be any different for us.

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So the child of the corn is strung up being tortured or whatever, and Feyre's

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like, I can't leave her like that. And Azriel's like,

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dude, you have a choice. You can go get your sister or we can do

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this. We can't get both. And she's like, ugh.

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And then Azriel's like, okay, I'll go get her. You go get your sister

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and meet me over here when you're done. Mm-hmm. So

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fuckery abound, and there's a whole bunch of, like,

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really important— nah, like, stress— like, this is like a stressful,

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like, is it gonna hap— what's gonna happen? Like, this is a really

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cool part of the book for me because I get really excited when something like

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that happens. Like, they're almost there!

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What's gonna happen next? Okay, right? And so

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Azriel is carrying the 2 girls,

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and Feyre's— he's like ready to take off because you

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can't winnow into the camp, so you have to like fly

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in or whatever. Uh, they're like running away,

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and Azriel's like, use your core

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muscles, whatever, trying to fly. She's trying to like make herself

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fly. And then, and then he

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jumps and soars and she's like, oh fuck.

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And then she jumps and then there's this like air that

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poofs her up a little bit, just enough so that she can get away. And

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that, that was Tamlin. Yep. Pouncing

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and fighting off the Hybran hounds because Feyre had

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gotten shot by it, by a, uh, by an arrow. So

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she was like having a hard time, like, getting the wing thing going.

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Yep. I love, I love this. I love hearing it from both of you guys,

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'cause I just imagine like, this is happening over here and then this is

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happening over here and this is happening over here. Like, that's how the war was.

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And my brain was just like, there's fucking chaos everywhere and everybody's doing

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some type of shit to just like make it through. Yeah. Like, you

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know, bad people can do heroic

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things, but that doesn't automatically make them a good

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person again. Okay? You're still an asshole. But

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he does take— he does take this one for the team though. He

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did take one. The team of Tamlin. Team

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of one. Tamlin. Team Tamlin.

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Not -35 now, -34, right?

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So yeah, so he turns into his like

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animal form and beats up these hounds that are chasing the fucking

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Feyre and Azriel and the 2 girls,

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and then they fly off back to,

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to camp. Then there's— how does, how does— okay, how does—

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because I know that Cassian

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is like, he takes

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part of the Illyrian, like the Illyrian force out first.

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in beating up whoever's on the ground. But

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the Illyrians are down on the ground and in the air. In the sky, yeah.

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And Cassian chooses to fight on the ground

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this other general or whatever from Hybern's thing.

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And so Cassian's just

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getting his shit pushed in, right?

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And just doing the thing, trying to make it work, trying to win this

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little battle with this General guy,

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and and

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the Nesta. Nesta goes, "Oh shit!"

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Nesta goes, "Oh shit! Something's not right."

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And then she starts like freaking out, like something

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bad is about to happen. And

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I know that the cauldron

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shoots off and blasts through

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the war that's happening all around the camp that

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Nesta and the girls are in. And Mor's with the girls

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and Feyre.

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But then there's like everybody's

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Everybody's really fucked up because the cauldron just like, blah,

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across this whole section of the thing. Yeah, it breaks into 3.

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And then everybody's like, oh my God, I can't believe this just happened. And

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then Nesta feels it again. And so

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Nesta, who up until this point has been

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like, fuck you, Cassian, you're a fucking asshole. I hate you.

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You're a miserable piece of shit. Just like nasty. She's like, don't look at me,

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do your shit. Right. Nasty, but she knows that

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they're mates. So she

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like screams for Cassian.

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Cassian starts whooping ass back, like

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stops fighting, gets out of the fighting, and then goes back

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to the camp. Says, what's going on? What

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happened? And then the cauldron shoots again,

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but it shoots where Cassian was

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and takes out half of the, the army that they had

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going right there. But it doesn't only just take out

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the good guys, it takes out half of the bad guys too. The cauldron just

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does not give any fucks. It just goes, brant. Um,

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and so Cassian's like, what the fuck just happened, dude?

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And then he gets up and he goes back in, right?

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Right, does he? Or is that when he goes and takes him to the,

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to the little copse of trees? And that's where— that's when he goes—

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that's where Hybern— he just keeps flicking back.

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Yeah. And then even before that, Feyre— I don't see

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it— Feyre goes into, um, goes to look for the

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surreal, right? And yeah,

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this is where Iain V gets what she's

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fucking deserved since the very first time we heard her name. Yeah,

403
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,713
this does make me happy. Trapped in with the Weaver.

404
00:26:48,772 --> 00:26:52,126
Yeah. So, you know, Feyre goes,

405
00:26:52,479 --> 00:26:56,186
talks to Syrio, tries to find out exactly like

406
00:26:56,331 --> 00:26:59,941
what this critical information. And then here comes

407
00:27:00,022 --> 00:27:03,664
fucking Ianthe, right? That fucking bitch don't die for shit.

408
00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:08,206
And like— She's like Michael Myers in Halloween. For

409
00:27:08,206 --> 00:27:12,042
sure. Morris the cat, she's got more than

410
00:27:12,123 --> 00:27:15,831
9 lives. Anyways, like, she hurts the,

411
00:27:16,056 --> 00:27:19,685
the surreal even though, um, Feyre has gotten like

412
00:27:19,749 --> 00:27:23,522
most of the information she needs. And so Feyre being Feyre,

413
00:27:23,538 --> 00:27:27,359
because I love her, she leads, um,

414
00:27:27,873 --> 00:27:31,517
Anthony into the, uh, to the

415
00:27:31,565 --> 00:27:35,146
weaver's house, right? Mm-hmm. The cottage. And

416
00:27:35,483 --> 00:27:39,218
then Ianthi became supper

417
00:27:40,067 --> 00:27:43,913
barbecue. Yeah, yeah, she was amazing. Little Ianthi

418
00:27:43,913 --> 00:27:46,973
shish kebabs taste like chicken.

419
00:27:47,662 --> 00:27:51,508
Yeah, I totally forgot about Feyre and the cereal's

420
00:27:51,508 --> 00:27:55,225
conversation because the cereal is dying, and I feel like they've like encountered each other

421
00:27:55,466 --> 00:27:58,751
a couple of times, and there's like this, this like

422
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:02,388
friendship, you know, between Feyre and the cereal, and he's dying

423
00:28:02,484 --> 00:28:06,143
because it's like Yeah. Yes. Oh,

424
00:28:06,614 --> 00:28:09,329
this hurts my soul. Yeah, it made me really sad. I wrote it down. When

425
00:28:09,329 --> 00:28:12,302
did I start caring, caring about the

426
00:28:12,952 --> 00:28:16,481
fucking cereal? Like, when did I do that?

427
00:28:17,182 --> 00:28:20,647
There's, um, somebody does an AI cereal podcast

428
00:28:20,647 --> 00:28:24,256
interview and it's this, it's like cereal tea and he's like

429
00:28:24,256 --> 00:28:26,687
sipping tea and he's interviewing like Cassian. What?

430
00:28:28,199 --> 00:28:31,705
What? Tell me, what is this? I've seen it on Instagram. It's like an

431
00:28:31,898 --> 00:28:33,666
AI clip of the cereal and he's sitting across a

432
00:28:35,410 --> 00:28:39,067
table interviewing somebody. So he's interviewed Rhysand, Cassian, Feyre.

433
00:28:39,292 --> 00:28:42,500
The Suriel interviewing— I'm looking this up. And it's just really

434
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:46,318
tongue-in-cheek funny type shit. It's really funny. Yeah, the Suriel

435
00:28:46,671 --> 00:28:50,328
tells her to stay with Rhys and to leave the world better than she found

436
00:28:50,361 --> 00:28:54,050
it. And he dies. And he dies. And it made me really

437
00:28:54,050 --> 00:28:57,692
sad because I remembered how the, how the Suriel had

438
00:28:58,125 --> 00:29:01,847
helped her when she was at the Spring Court. And, you

439
00:29:01,847 --> 00:29:05,521
know, And a couple of times, and it— but it

440
00:29:05,521 --> 00:29:09,131
also made me happy that Ianthe got her what she fucking deserved.

441
00:29:10,334 --> 00:29:13,431
And I think there were soldiers in that cottage too. It was like Ianthe and

442
00:29:13,543 --> 00:29:16,736
soldiers. Like, she, she took out more than just Ianthe in that. And then we

443
00:29:16,736 --> 00:29:20,041
get back to the part where, where Papa shows up.

444
00:29:20,763 --> 00:29:24,293
Papa shows up. There's love between Nesta and Papa. Papa gets

445
00:29:24,293 --> 00:29:28,063
killed. Nesta is fucking pissed. When does Cassian get

446
00:29:28,063 --> 00:29:31,210
injured? Is he injured before the dad shows up and gets his ass whooped? Or

447
00:29:31,517 --> 00:29:34,363
gets killed? Yeah. Hybern's fucking with Nesta

448
00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:40,007
and starts ripping apart Cassian, beating him up.

449
00:29:40,637 --> 00:29:44,382
And I think that was an interesting scene because that's the first time—

450
00:29:44,689 --> 00:29:48,208
so the dad is dead, Nesta's pissed, Cassian is

451
00:29:48,305 --> 00:29:52,134
basically dying at her feet, and for the first time you see her

452
00:29:52,504 --> 00:29:56,006
with a power where she like explodes

453
00:29:56,424 --> 00:30:00,259
whatever the fuck is behind the— like, she misses, her aim is not great, But

454
00:30:00,339 --> 00:30:03,896
she shoots fire and it burns, it burns

455
00:30:03,896 --> 00:30:07,662
something like it's meant for the king, but, and she can't summon it

456
00:30:07,678 --> 00:30:11,277
back up. And then Truth

457
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:11,645
Teller.