The Finish Line by Kate Stewart, The Frenchman Gets Outplayed, Pt 2

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Welcome back to Paperback Confessions. If you've survived part

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one, buckle up, because this is part two of our finish line deep

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dive. And we're saving some of our hottest takes for the finish. Let's

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get into it.

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I don't want to say reporting to, but there is somebody bigger than him at

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play that Tobias has been a part of this other

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world in France, this big wig, you

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know, mobster type of dude, where Tobias

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shares part of his story. Where, when he lived in France, he works for this

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guy, and he's sort of like the hitman for this

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dude, I feel like it's a fair description of

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his job duties. Yeah, he's like a

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contractor. Subcontractor. Yeah, yeah. And he leaves

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France to come back to Triple Falls, cleaning out that plumbing.

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Sorry. I'm so sorry. You.

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I'm not sorry. This is why. This is why I love

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this. I. I love this. The

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unhingedness of it. I just started sweating.

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Now I'm sweating and red in my face because I'm like, my sister's gonna hear

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this and go, oh, my God. What? The

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candy. It's fine.

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We're fine. Everything's fine.

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As she drinks out of her mug.

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I like oral. It's fine. Does it

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taste like oysters? I'm just wondering. Oh, salty.

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So it's wet.

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That's always how these scenes start, though. That's how wet it is.

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So true. T. Rex has got her.

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She's picking up the vibrations. You need me to come in there and

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give you some cpr, homie? The cherry bring you back

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from this one? Let's give her

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a minute. She's got a composer. So

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you are all. I heard you

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oral assholes is what I heard. That's the only one.

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You all are. Okay. We're good now. All right. I'm

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better. For someone

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who's never really been a fan of it, I was like, I'd give it a

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shot with Tobias. It sounds perfect.

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Anyhow, so Tobias leaves Paris and this guy that he's

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basically working for to go back to Triple Falls. When he

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hears of all the that's been afoot, what's his. Celia, Sean and

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Dom. And in doing so, he pisses

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off this guy. This guy wants Tobias back. He wants to buy

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us to basically stay under his thumb. And Tobias, sort of his

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perspective on the whole thing is like, you've never really had me under your thumb.

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I was sort of just doing this because you served a purpose. And now I'm

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done with that. Right. So there's this struggle of how is Tobias going to actually

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free himself from this other character?

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And he has been keeping it a secret from Cecilia because

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just like before in my point of view, where he

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loses control when Cecilia is brought into the Ravenhood by Sean and Dom,

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he loses control again, where he's lost the ability

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to keep Cecilia safe. Because this

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guy's gonna come to Virginia. He sends, like,

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I don't know, spy hitman, if you will, to

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find Tobias, the weirdo at the. At the diner who's like, can you go on

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a date with me? No. So he had

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two guys then. So he had Mr.

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There was like, some French guy outside that Tobias ends up like,

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following. Beats the. Out of this guy, takes his phone, and then Tobias is responding

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to this big hitman guy from this. Oh, yeah, the guy who's watching him.

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Yeah. So Tobias. He identifies this one dude outside

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as being a part of it, beats the shad out of him, grabs his phone,

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and now Tobias is responding to the hit guy as if he's this other

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dude. Right? But what Tobias doesn't see is who Cecilia

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had seen from day one, which was like, there's this handsome

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guy. He kind of looks like he's out of place. He shows up randomly at

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my diner. Yeah, he's there, like, every day for a week, two

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weeks, however many weeks. And this is like, at the very beginning of the book,

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like, chapter one, like, oh, maybe I'll go out on a date with this guy.

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But then I really don't want to go out on a date with anybody. But.

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But fuckle nuts there. What's his name? Tobias. To

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step back. Tobias finds, like, a to do list, if you will, of Cecilia's,

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like, when he's first into Virginia, trying to work his way into her life.

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And on the very last thing at the end of that list says, entertain Mr.

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Handsome. And so Tobias immediately jealous, like, who the fuck is Mr. Handsome?

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At one point in the book, before they have sex, Dom is sitting

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at. In the diner and sees Mr. Handsome

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Girl. No, but it's. It's hard though, isn't it? You just want

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it to be Dom so bad, and you'll take time, Tobias. But

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I mean, whatever. Thank you, Toby. Yes, I did that

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last recording too. I kept saying dong. I was like, how many edits of this?

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I need to just record myself saying Tobias and then put it on top of.

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Anyhow, you need. No, no,

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you need to record yourself saying Tobias in your sexy phone

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voice. Tobias.

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And then put that in at every time. And then

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everybody knows. Exactly, exactly.

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Just do it. Make it a thing, and

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then keep it. And then anytime you make a mistake, you could just. Tobias

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and everything going forward. We all know we're all on that page.

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Yeah. But I loved. I loved that you find out later on that

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Cecilia had identified this guy as problematic from the

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first time. I think she maybe saw him twice and was like, nah, I need

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to know what's up with this guy. Like, who's this handsome guy showing up in

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town, eating at my diner, trying to get with me? So

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Cecilia does her own investigation of this character.

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Tobias never really clocks it, other than there's some guy who wants to

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be with my girl. He. He doesn't even put it all

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together until the very end, that Mr. Which is when we put it together

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too. 100%. Yeah. It's at the last couple of chapters of

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the book because we're like, oh. Because it's that dual pov.

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We are watching this story from Tobias's

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perspective. There you go. So, like, the other

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thing we found out in the book, about halfway through,

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I think it was either before the sex scene or after it.

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But how Tobias knew the. The new president

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and how they were going to the White House, and that's how things

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started to kind of come together for me. Oh, yeah, because they went to college

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together. Yes, yes. In the book, Tobias, earlier

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on. I like that we're doing, like, before the sex or after the sex. Before

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this. Yes.

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You saw the tip versus you took the tip. No, I'm just kidding. So

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Tobias and his. He's,

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like, sharing parts of his past with us.

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We need to have a counter. How many times in an episode we can break

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G. Yeah.

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In his. In his past that he shares with us as a reader.

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He talks about being in college in France. And

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I don't know if he just met him or if this guy's his roommate. I

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don't remember. No, he's the rich kid. He's the rich kid that

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kind of takes him under his wing or whatever. Well,

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doesn't, like, hand him down stuff, but, like, somehow always has what pious

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needs. They go out. I think it's like their last hurrah as college kids

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to a strip club. They have their fun after the

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strip club. This guy almost gets schmurdered, basically, like, almost gets

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killed. And Tobias takes care of

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the situation. Right. And so they're always indebted to each other. Right.

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Fast forward to where G is talking about is that this guy is now the

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President of the United States. And Tobias has. This

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really has had A relationship with this guy this entire time. And in

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Tobias's mind, you know, if this mobster from France comes, my plan

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B is to go to the president for help, right? Like, I'm going to go

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to my friend, I'm going to call in that favor. But his plan A,

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at least I think, was always that this guy will never come.

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Like, it wasn't really to address it. He'll just never know, right? Like, it

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was like, plan A, keep the secret. Plan B, let's go to the President for

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help. Seemed to be the game plan for.

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Oh, you know what else kind of tipped it off, too, is that

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Cecilia was watching the President on TV when she was in the

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cafe, and she saw Tyler and she got

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really, like, she got a little choke. Yeah, that

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was her bestie. And she got a little choked up. So then,

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like, when I saw that, because now, you know, all the books are starting to

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bleed together now, I was able to start tying things together,

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right? Because I would go back and read Exodus. Like,

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I'd go find that chapter again and read it, and then I'd

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fast forward back to the finish line. I'd be like, ah,

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now it makes sense. Dang. Next time we read a book

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like this, series like this, wink, wink,

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I need you. When you find a point in a book

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that you're like, I'm gonna go back and read that chapter in another book,

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I need you to write that down. Okay, I'll put it in our Google

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spreadsheet. Yeah, because I did not. Did you?

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No, I was looking for the sex. This ain't going backwards.

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Yes, exactly. G doesn't need to think with their dick.

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I need to think with my dick. Follow my penis. If I do

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need to, I'm gonna. She follows the tip.

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I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Please don't be sorry.

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This is amazing. No more fucking gin

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for you, ever. I like it. No, I will be sending a

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bottle of gin. Juniper berries.

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Speaking of juniper berries, got her lotion,

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though. Yes. Okay. I loved it.

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Although at the end, she's like, no, I've been wearing this since I was, like,

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in high school. I was like, no, I love. So Tobias loves gin.

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Cecilia's favorite scent is juniper berries. Tobias clocks

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it some point during this book is like, this brilliant queen

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is smelling like my addiction so well. And the thing is,

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too, is that she. Because I was just reading the

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words, chapter 27. She lotions

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up and the nightgown from

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that he got her, like, a million years ago that she keeps.

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Yep. Yeah. I smell like what you want, and

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I look like what you want. And he says, say some eye contact.

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Oh, he sees. I just put that in my mouth. He sees,

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smells and tastes. Yeah. Oh, he did. Yes,

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he did. He got all three senses all taken care of.

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Not five senses. Feel. Oh,

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there's. Well, I got three of them. Here's. Oh, he

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did. Hear, smell, taste, taste. See

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here. Oh, yeah. He. He. Yeah, he got all five. You do

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all five. He found her.

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Sorry, G. No, but I think that's amazing that you were able to put that

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together, because I did not. I read it, like, okay, cool. When's the next.

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I was like, cool. You know, the president. Great. Moving on. Like, I didn't

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hide it at all, but

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I love that she clocked that from day one. What

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we find out at the end is that not only did she clock it, she

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researches this guy from. Figures out who he is,

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why he's there, and then seeks the help. Because, if y' all remember, she

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got branded as part of the Ravenhood. She is now part of the Raven. She

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gets to play in the resources. Yeah. 100. And I think she

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goes to Sean, right? Yep. Yep, she goes to Sean. She's.

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I'm calling in what I need to do here, because this guy

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is this person. She finds out. Who is it? Antoine is

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the mobster dude from France, I think is his name. Finds out all

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about that guy. To knows how it ties into Tobias. So Cecilia has

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been planning this shit for a long time,

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and Tobias showing up was just, like, a bonus, really. Like,

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you know, they. She loved. She's always loved him. They're back in love.

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Do we. Okay, do we think that she started clocking Antoine

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before finish line. Yes. Oh, yeah. That's

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a good question. No, it had to have been when this guy showed up at

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the diner, because that's what started it. She was like, who's this guy and what's

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he about? It felt like at the beginning that she was actually

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considering, like, going on a date. And that's why he was

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on the list. Right. So it had to have been after

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that. Okay. That particular Mr. Handsome guy was creepy because

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at first she was like, oh, okay, you're kind of cute. It'd be all

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right for just a second. But wait a minute. I'm still in love with dick

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face over here, so. But okay, so I'm trying to figure

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out, was that before or after

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Tobias killed Mr. Handsome's

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dad? I hadn't been

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after. Yeah, okay.

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Because that's why he started showing up Past. Yeah, that was a.

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That was a. A rewind on that one. Okay.

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Yeah, but that's what. But that's why he's coming at him to your

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point. He's like, okay, I'll do it. Like, oh, you need help getting rid of

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this guy? Sign me up, because this guy fucked over my family. Yeah, but.

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But I love that she had already started clocking

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that, because I think her mission in that moment,

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once she started unraveling, I think. I think Cecilia always has wanted to know what

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has been troubling Tobias. Right. So I think. I don't think it,

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like, she was shying away from it, because, again,

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we end up finding out towards the end of the book that once Cecilia starts

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putting all the pieces together in real time was when her parents showed

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up in the camper. Yeah. And she was already in a bad mood,

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and Tobias couldn't figure it out. He just thought it was because the mom was

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there. But Cecilia was in a bad mood because she knew then what the secret

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was, and she was pissed that after you're trying to work your way into my

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life, you still have this huge, massive secret. And I think Cecilia is

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like, if you would just tell me, let me help you. And Tobias

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never saw, I think, honestly, her capable of.

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Of helping him until she forces her way in there.

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Yeah. And she was. She. At the end of the book, man, she was a

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badass, total mic drop moment.

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Hell, yes. That, to me, was attractive. I was like, this said,

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let me figure this out. Let me call in some

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favors. I am gonna

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handle this. I wish. Honestly, though, if Kate Stewart

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ever hears this, I wish we could just get, like, a little mini chapter

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of what happens when, okay,

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Tobias shows up after kind of putting the

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pieces together. There's a brawl in the front yard with Mr.

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Handsome when Tobias gets in the house, because he's like, holy

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Cecilia. She's not okay. She's like, if they've killed her, I'm ending

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the world. Right? Like, he's freaking out. He gets in the house and he sees

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Cecilia. A gun, she's armed, a

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man who had been shot. And then this Antoine character, right? Like,

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I just want a mini chapter. I want to know what happened, right? Like, Cecilia's

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in there. She clearly shot a guy. She just got out of the shower. She's

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not afraid. Like, how did that. How did it happen? What happened?

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See? Okay, I feel like

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homegirl knew a lot more than what she let.

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Like, a fuckload more

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than what she let on for, like, the longest time. I think she's pissed

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at Tobias because she knows all this and she's just waiting

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for him. I think from like the beginning of the book, she knows.

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I feel like in those months that she was gone, I feel like

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she did some research. She did her homework,

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right? And like

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she knew before he even stepped foot in that diner

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about Antoine or whatever his name is, the gangster.

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I feel like she knew all that in this whole time. She's like, no, you

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not gonna tell me? Not gonna tell me. Really? Still not gonna tell me?

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Really? Yeah, yeah. She might not have known about Mr.

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Handsome specifically, but I absolutely believe that

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she knew way more. And I think that's

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why. I also believe that's why we get all of

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Tobias first. Because she's busy.

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This is busy. She's out researching. They're not a hundred.

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That's what I'm saying. Kate Stewart, you are a

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goddess. That's a valid point because

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you're so right. You're so right. Because we don't get

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to see what she's up to, because we are. Can I just tell you how

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turned I on I am right now? Because you just said I was right like

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multiple times in the row. I might as well have just had an emotional or.

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Yeah. Oh, my life. I'm gonna need that on repeat

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for my prior times. It. It's such. Oh, God damn.

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God damn. You're so. I think. I think she's just

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waiting for him. Like, she knows she's gonna do the thing. She knows she's

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going back, but she needs him to know that

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you ain't gonna play with me no more. Because I am not some 19 year

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old little. That you're gonna. Yeah. Do dumb to

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me. What's tickling my brain, Nacho, is.

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Is. Do you think she doesn't

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show her cards sooner? Because she's still planning it out.

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Because it definitely. She doesn't show her cards until literally he's

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about to be shot. And she's the one calming him. Like,

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hey, remember the fireflies? And she's like talking in code.

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She's like you. We've never been alone. Like, she's. She's having to

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communicate to Tobias in this moment. Like, calm the down, bro. Because

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Tobias trigger warning.

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Essentially realizes he's right. He

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thinks he is the one with all the cards in his hand and that he's

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protecting Cecilia. And so he realizes he's fudged there.

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She's either going to shoot off around and get killed or

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there or I'm going to try to do something. They're Going to kill me. Like

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one of us is going to die. How do I save this? And decides he's

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going to take his own life. That's his mind. Like, well, if I'm

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gone, then they won't want her because I'm the prize. This

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Antoine guy wants me back in. In France. So if I just take

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myself out, she'll be okay. Completely unhinged. And so Cecilia is

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having to talk him off that ledge in code so that

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this gangster. Because there's guns. I imagine that Spider man meme where they're

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pointing at each other. Like there's guns pointed at everyone. Right? Yeah.

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Yeah. And so she is trying to calm him down to say, dude,

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don't do anything stupid. I got.

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And so she uses fireflies, which has been their thing. There's fireflies.

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We've never been alone. Open your eyes. And at that moment,

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Tobias looks over at Mr. I don't remember if it's Mr. Handsome. It's

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somebody who has lasers pointed everywhere. Yes.

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And that's when Tyler. Because they did call in a little

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favor from the President and Tyler sent all the FBI

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dudes down and there were lasers all like pointed

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at the bad dudes. So let's actually. Can we talk about that? Do you

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think that Tyler showed up because Tobias

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called in the favor? Right. Okay. I'm

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happy. No, because he's. He wasn't going to get there in time if when

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Tobias called, he wasn't gonna get there. He was already on his

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way. Sean calling into

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Tyler. Yes, that's how it happened. The way it happened. Okay, I'm. I'm

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fully on board. They. That Tyler

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and Cecilia have always been tight like a tiger. Yeah.

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And tight like Sean and Cecilia were right. As

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up as the storyline was and how, you know. Yeah. Not really

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taking advantage of a 19 year old, but sort of kind of taking advantage of

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a 19 year old. But, you know, as we get to that third

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book, this is where Cecilia finally grew up. Right. It

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was several years later. She. She knew what she

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wanted and she knew she wanted to bias,

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but she wasn't sure how to get it. And when

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she finally had him in her court, it's my

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way or no way, and I'm going to protect your ass

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because they, they really, you know, they're actually

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that whole like, fucking push me, pull me action. Really actually

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pull them closer together because that, that whole sex scene, like,

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did it for me. Told you. I think

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part of me thinks that Cecilia, Cecilia even

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goes through this much trouble because she feels like this is the One thing in

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their way of happiness is whatever secret, secret.

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When I start slurring my words, secret. We're

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gathered here.

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Sorry,

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God bless. God bless.

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But I think that's what it was, is like her driving force is like,

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whatever's. Whatever's in our way, I'm going to rectify it

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because I want my man. And so she does. She goes into

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this planning. She's the one that saves them.

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And I loved it. I. I loved that she did it.

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And she didn't need his input or his help. She was like,

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I got this. And I don't remember what part it

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was. Where at the end, she tells Tobias,

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like, you almost this up. Like you almost up this plan.

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Because I don't remember if he got mad or like, whatever happened

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that. She was like, we. This almost didn't happen because you wouldn't.

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You wouldn't leave well enough alone. So she had

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this in motion for a minute and I loved that. I was like, God damn

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it, boss ass bitch. I think she had like a structure, like

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a. Like a

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big picture, and that it was

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put in place in between Exodus and

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finish line, and then

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it just sort of unraveled and it kind of happened that

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way. And I think that's. I really believe that that's why we have so much

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Tobias also, because there

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was way more development on Tobias part, like

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character development on Tyler's part or Tobias part.

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And she not drinking. I'm not.

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But yeah, there's just like so

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much more. Yeah, so

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many more layers. So much more character development on behalf

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of Tobias in this book that I was.

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Disappointed because I like my

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fantasy men to be impenetrable. Like, I'm just a

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cold, miserable, hard ass bastard. And you're my one sweet

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spot. You're my one piece of sunshine that I get to keep. Whether

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it's, you know, under my thumb or whatever that looks

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like for whatever book you're reading. But I like

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my problematic men in my books. Did it force you. Did

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it force you to see him in a human way? Like, I was.

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I was really upset about it because I.

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I didn't want to know that much about him. I found myself,

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like, skimming some of the chapters or some of the pages

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or whatever that I was like, God, more about the childhood,

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more about the. It was until. It was until

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the. The scene with the

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mom in the car and the sick Dom, the baby Dom,

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that I was like, oh, I've been missing some pieces. So then I went back

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and I reread the beginning of every Chapter and all

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those little memories, and I was like, oh.

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And then I saw these, like. Like, actually problematic

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things. Yeah. With the character. Like,

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I mean, some. Some depend. Some dependencies.

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Right. Yeah. Like, a lot of alcohol to

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numb the pain. Deal with a lot of things.

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Yeah. Yeah. It just made him really human

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for me. This leads to some of the questions I had for you both

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in and around Tobias. Do you think Tobias was worth the

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wait for Cecilia?

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Yes. Because I think if you just read through all the three

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books, you could tell that they really loved each other and

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that, you know, love is hard. You know, it doesn't

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come. Come, you know, in a nice package wrapped in a

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bow, like you had to work for it. And so I think.

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Yes. That they were. They were meant to be together.

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I don't know. Okay.

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I don't know. I think, like,

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irl. Absolutely not. But for the book's sake and

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for the storyline and for all the things. One million percent. Thank you,

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fantasy. A billion percent. There's no way.

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There's no.

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No way I would live through that and still be like, yeah,

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let's. Let's be in love. No, you, dude.

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And it was great and all, but still. You don't get to treat me like

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that when we're not. Yeah. Do you? My next

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question is. Kind of. Might be. I don't know if I'm gonna word this right.

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Do you think a lot of what he puts himself through or, like,

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when I. When I say that, I mean, like, he sees himself as,

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like, the father figure? Yeah. Do you think that

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that's him being selfish or selfless?

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Like, does he. Do you think he needs to be that character because

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he's so insecure? Or do you think he really is putting himself on the line

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to protect everybody else? At the beginning of the book, I would have said

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that it was selfless. And when

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I started, like, middle, I guess, of the book, I was, like,

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insecure. I think insecure is, like, a really

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appropriate way. A really appropriate word for

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that is. Yeah. I saw him as insecure,

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as unable to, like. Well, because he's going through all these

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changes, trying to implement all these changes in his life anyways.

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But, yeah, I think at first he just doesn't. I

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think he just does it because it needs to be done. Yeah.

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That's how I see it. So I actually have a question.

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One question for you, Dirty Skittles. And one for you, Nacho. So,

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Dirty Skittles. At what point do you feel that Tobias stopped

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being romantically tortured and started needing real

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Consequences. Did he. Did he actually earn

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Cecilia back? Or did Kate Stewart just make us emotionally

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vulnerable enough to forgive him? Oh,

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that's fucking brutal.

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I think

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I. Okay, this might be more of a reflection of me than

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anything else. That's what this whole podcast is, baby. Let it go.

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I think, think that he did earn her back.

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Here's why he did things

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that were so fish out of water

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to make her happy. I think a

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side effect or a consequence of that was he learned about himself,

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but he would have never willingly, I think, done any of that

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on his own. I think he does it because he wants to be with her

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to. And as, like, Hallmark movie as it was when

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they were, like, bobbing for apples, when they were celebrating

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holidays together, the two of them,

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he wanted those memories with her, and

458
00:29:59,729 --> 00:30:03,090
he wouldn't have done that on his own. He ain't gonna make a snowman, just

459
00:30:03,090 --> 00:30:06,290
Tobias solo doo outside, you know what I mean? Like,

460
00:30:06,770 --> 00:30:10,330
and it meant so much to her that I think, little

461
00:30:10,490 --> 00:30:14,330
like that he was willing to do it. So I think

462
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:17,690
he earned her back. Okay, I see. I like that.

463
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:18,890
Okay, Nacho,

464
00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:25,650
I'm afraid, did Cecilia. Okay. Did Cecilia

465
00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:29,290
finally standing up for herself make the romance hotter for you?

466
00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:32,890
Or were you more invested in the Tobias emotional damage

467
00:30:33,290 --> 00:30:34,490
redemption to her?

468
00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:43,540
Okay,

469
00:30:47,380 --> 00:30:49,460
I like. I liked a lot of both of it.

470
00:30:51,059 --> 00:30:54,900
Did that come out right? No, I don't think that was the

471
00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:58,100
right words. Hold on. I. Okay, I.

472
00:31:01,470 --> 00:31:05,310
I liked watching in my brain. It's watching, right? So I read it and

473
00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:08,830
then I see it in my brain, right? So there's a whole, like, screenplay happening

474
00:31:08,830 --> 00:31:12,670
in my brain. I enjoyed reading and watching

475
00:31:13,550 --> 00:31:16,909
the dumpster fire that

476
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:20,990
Tobias was willing to be

477
00:31:24,030 --> 00:31:27,630
to satisfy or attempt to satisfy

478
00:31:27,790 --> 00:31:29,390
the. The boundaries that

479
00:31:32,030 --> 00:31:35,870
that Cecilia had set for herself.

480
00:31:37,790 --> 00:31:39,710
I liked both sides of it.

481
00:31:42,190 --> 00:31:45,870
Do I enjoy watching people grovel?

482
00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:49,390
No. Do I enjoy watching people

483
00:31:50,350 --> 00:31:52,670
or knowing, reading, whatever. People

484
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,000
willing to make themselves vulnerable for the ones that they love.

485
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,720
God, yes. God, yes. I think more

486
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,200
people should be vulnerable and be willing to say dumb

487
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,440
shit and be willing to, like, be wrong.

488
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,280
And I think in the same

489
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,000
vein, it's important

490
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,380
for not just women, but anybody who,

491
00:32:26,780 --> 00:32:30,340
If you're. Okay, so if your best friend is telling you, or your

492
00:32:30,340 --> 00:32:33,260
sister, your brother,

493
00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:37,260
cousin, whoever's, your. Your person, your whatever

494
00:32:37,980 --> 00:32:41,020
is telling you you're being taken advantage of,

495
00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:45,660
or your brain or your heart is telling you you're being taken advantage of,

496
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:51,670
I think it's important and hot for you to be like,

497
00:32:51,670 --> 00:32:55,030
okay, I don't want to be. And taken Advantage of.

498
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:59,230
What does that look like for me? What boundaries can I put? So it's all.

499
00:32:59,230 --> 00:33:02,309
I mean, it's all sexy to me, but you can't tell me

500
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:04,870
an emotional roller coaster of feelings

501
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:11,310
isn't hot. Yeah. Especially when it

502
00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:14,730
keeps me reading through that many pages in a book. A series of books.

503
00:33:15,770 --> 00:33:19,330
It was a long book. But I will say, for me, like, the hottest thing

504
00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:23,050
in the book is not, you know, broding. Tobias.

505
00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:26,930
It was Cecilia filing saying, you know what? You

506
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:30,770
don't get access to me without accountability. And, you know, for me,

507
00:33:30,770 --> 00:33:34,250
it's all about accountability. And the older I get, it's about

508
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:38,050
accountability. Like, you know what? You've kicked me over in

509
00:33:38,050 --> 00:33:41,690
the past. Unless you're willing to, like, show me the fuck that you've

510
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:45,470
grown up, you don't get to touch this. Yeah. And

511
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:49,230
so, I mean, that. It was a. It was a good reminder for me, but

512
00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:52,990
I'm in a stable relationship, too, so. Yeah, but that doesn't mean that

513
00:33:52,990 --> 00:33:55,270
it can't apply to, like, other relationships.

514
00:33:56,470 --> 00:34:00,150
True. In your life. Right. Because we

515
00:34:00,310 --> 00:34:03,990
all have at least one person in our life that

516
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:07,990
refuses to be honest.

517
00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:11,980
Well, okay. I imagine in my brain that we all have

518
00:34:11,980 --> 00:34:15,660
at least a person in our life that wants to be close to us,

519
00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:19,220
but refuses to respect boundaries and

520
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:21,940
refuses to be honest and refuses

521
00:34:23,140 --> 00:34:26,420
for what they perceive to be great,

522
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:31,060
solid ideas and. And

523
00:34:31,060 --> 00:34:34,020
feelings. Right. Like, not to say that they're not

524
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:38,430
valid, but if that's a boundary that you

525
00:34:38,430 --> 00:34:41,510
set for yourself, not just in a physical or

526
00:34:42,390 --> 00:34:45,990
romantic relationship, but in any relationship.

527
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:52,110
Sorry, I got really. I'm awake now. Can

528
00:34:52,110 --> 00:34:55,950
you tell? I have a question for both

529
00:34:55,950 --> 00:34:59,670
of you. Who. Who do you think sacrifice the most

530
00:34:59,670 --> 00:35:03,250
out of these three series, out of the entire trilogy, which character

531
00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:05,490
sacrificed the most? Dom.

532
00:35:06,850 --> 00:35:10,490
His actual life. Yeah. Dom. His actual

533
00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:14,250
life. His actual brother. His. The love

534
00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:17,330
of his life. He

535
00:35:19,330 --> 00:35:22,450
sacrificed everything for the Raven Hood. He

536
00:35:22,450 --> 00:35:25,890
sacrificed happiness

537
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:29,550
in many, many levels.

538
00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:32,350
Right. He knew he wasn't going to last till. Live till 30,

539
00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:35,070
so. Right. Like, he.

540
00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:42,630
Did all these things knowing that I don't know that.

541
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:46,430
Dom. Dom's the one. Dom's the answer for me, G. Yeah. Do

542
00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:49,870
you agree? I agree. Yeah. Because, you know, Dom

543
00:35:50,350 --> 00:35:53,920
kind of brings it all together, but, like. And

544
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,760
he. He's the kind of guy

545
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,240
I would have hung around with if I was.

546
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,800
If I was that much into guys, which I'm not. So it's

547
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,440
okay. I would

548
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,040
agree. My. My last question is,

549
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,200
in this book, the finish line having finished it, is there

550
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,580
anything you didn't get closure on the characters or the story.

551
00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:24,940
No, there were so many pro. Like, the. The chapters, the

552
00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:28,620
ending. There were so many chapters afterwards, I was

553
00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:32,100
just like, there's only so much happiness I can handle. It was great.

554
00:36:32,820 --> 00:36:36,460
But, like, at that point, I was like, are still on an emotional

555
00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:40,300
overlook. I was still feeling my feelings, but it was great. Like, there

556
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:43,700
was a lot of happy ending. And I like a happy ending. I

557
00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:47,860
call me old fashion, call me pretentious, whatever.

558
00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:51,060
I don't care. Call me whatever you want. I like a happy ending. I like

559
00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:54,660
a nice, neat little bow. Everybody lived happily

560
00:36:54,660 --> 00:36:58,500
ever after. Yeah, I loved it because at the

561
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:02,220
end of the book, love. Love actually did win. And, you know,

562
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:06,060
just looking at it from, like, my, you know, my

563
00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:09,580
standpoint as a lesbian, you know, whenever,

564
00:37:09,740 --> 00:37:13,580
like, couples can get together and actually marry, and I

565
00:37:13,580 --> 00:37:17,180
don't care, you know, what gender you are at the end, love

566
00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:20,900
wins. And to me, that. That made my heart sing. So,

567
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:25,860
okay, what about you? Yeah. Yeah,

568
00:37:26,580 --> 00:37:29,780
I think so. I think. I think so.

569
00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:33,700
I definitely got closure on the characters. The only thing I

570
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:37,220
wish I could remember better was.

571
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:39,460
I know at one point the topic of

572
00:37:40,580 --> 00:37:44,340
Tobias being afraid that he would suffer the same

573
00:37:44,340 --> 00:37:47,900
illness as his dad. I don't remember us

574
00:37:48,860 --> 00:37:51,500
finding closure there. Yeah. I don't remember

575
00:37:52,620 --> 00:37:56,380
whether or not we know. Yeah. Because didn't his dad.

576
00:37:56,380 --> 00:37:59,940
His dad had schizophrenia? Like, I remember there's a conversation where

577
00:37:59,940 --> 00:38:03,580
Cecilia is reassuring him like, no, you don't have it. But I don't remember.

578
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:07,620
I just remember him still kind of fearing that that

579
00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:11,340
would be something he would battle. How many. How many chapters at the end of

580
00:38:11,340 --> 00:38:15,000
the book do you have in. Because you read

581
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,840
the paper, right? I think it's just the.

582
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,160
Because there's a bonus chapter. Yeah, there was a bonus chapter

583
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,000
with Sean. Or is there something else?

584
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,880
Hold on. In this book, there is a chapter

585
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:36,560
with Sean. Let me go past this.

586
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,120
Yep. Two years later, Sean. My phone buzzes again on the nightstand. I

587
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,750
silence it to sit stretching my neck. Yeah, no, I don't have anything

588
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:47,310
after Sean's prologue or

589
00:38:47,310 --> 00:38:50,950
epilogue or whatever the it's called. Yeah, well, I have

590
00:38:51,590 --> 00:38:55,190
bonus chapter Tobias. Oh, is that on my

591
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:58,990
arms? Is that compelling my arms? Yep. Against the incoming wave, I tunnel through

592
00:38:58,990 --> 00:39:02,830
the and emerge. I turn in time to watch it roll towards the shore toward

593
00:39:02,830 --> 00:39:06,590
where my life now begins and ends. Just ahead sits a mansion perched

594
00:39:06,590 --> 00:39:09,570
on a cliff rock, which was once

595
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:14,090
a time capsule, a home that was once a destination but

596
00:39:14,090 --> 00:39:17,850
is now a dream realized. Turning back towards the sea, I measured against

597
00:39:17,850 --> 00:39:20,770
the Clear blue summer sky. Knowing the relentlessness,

598
00:39:21,330 --> 00:39:25,130
Restlessness is not quite exhausted for me. Yeah, it goes, it

599
00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:28,970
goes on for. Yeah. Is that where it ends with him talking to

600
00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:32,530
Dom and he's like, I'm tired, Dom. And he, like, has the

601
00:39:32,530 --> 00:39:33,890
car in the ocean or some.

602
00:39:37,890 --> 00:39:41,250
That's how it ends for me, at least in the book is Tobias, you know,

603
00:39:41,250 --> 00:39:44,290
at some point, Tobias tells Cecilia throughout the birth control, I want to be a

604
00:39:44,290 --> 00:39:48,050
dad. Then he, like, goes to say his final farewells to Dom at the

605
00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:51,170
beach. He's got, like, a toy car in his hand. He kneels by the water,

606
00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:54,890
and he's just talking to his brother. And he basically is like, I'm

607
00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:57,730
tired, Dom, so help me watch over us, okay?

608
00:39:58,850 --> 00:40:02,070
And then he says, we did it, brother. And that's Tobias's last line.

609
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:07,110
And so I'm like, I hope he's okay. I'm scrolling right now. I,

610
00:40:07,110 --> 00:40:10,790
I, I will tell you, this book, like, on the emotional damage

611
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:14,550
rating was a five out of five for me. Yeah, Yeah, I agree.

612
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:18,590
I'm still fucking mourning Dom's loss. It like, me

613
00:40:18,590 --> 00:40:21,670
up. I won't read. Side note, listeners, there is

614
00:40:22,070 --> 00:40:24,470
what, what Kate Stewart calls the Raven Hood

615
00:40:25,350 --> 00:40:29,080
universe or something like that. And there is a book

616
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,720
written from Dom's POV called One

617
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:36,520
Last Rainy Day or something like that. Might have to check me on that. But

618
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,360
I will not read it. Yeah, because I'm so emotionally, like,

619
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,360
I can't. No, I can't. And like, and then, like, my

620
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,000
final, like, spice rating is 4 out of 5. Not for the sex scenes,

621
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,640
but because Cecilia, being a woman, finally

622
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,460
brought agency into the room. Right. She finally stood up

623
00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:59,900
for herself. She grew a set of balls. And

624
00:41:00,220 --> 00:41:03,580
for me, when women do that, when they, when they

625
00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:07,540
are tired, you know, being driven by narcissistic and

626
00:41:07,540 --> 00:41:11,220
misogynistic men, she grew a set of balls. And for

627
00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:14,220
me, when any woman can do that, good for you.

628
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:18,380
Yeah. This for me was a two. This is like a halo without the angel

629
00:41:18,380 --> 00:41:22,110
wings. It was sweet, it was sexy, but it was

630
00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:25,950
more focused on love and less about three ways on a lake. Yes.

631
00:41:28,270 --> 00:41:31,550
Yeah, I'm gonna stick with my PG, PG 13 rating.

632
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:35,790
Yeah. Isn't even a 13. Yeah, yeah, 13

633
00:41:35,950 --> 00:41:39,790
probably because you'd have to really be as a, a little bit older to get

634
00:41:39,790 --> 00:41:43,630
some of the. I'm

635
00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:46,030
sorry, no more,

636
00:41:47,550 --> 00:41:51,310
no more gin for you. No, we won't be sending gin to the house.

637
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:56,630
You are feral and I'm here for it. Yeah.

638
00:41:57,270 --> 00:42:00,750
How long are you going to be there for? Can we just have Total Wine

639
00:42:00,750 --> 00:42:04,150
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640
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641
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642
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:16,470
and smart water. Yes. This

643
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:20,310
was. This was so much fun. Ladies, I'm looking forward to the next

644
00:42:20,860 --> 00:42:23,500
book series that we're going to read. Should we get. And

645
00:42:24,380 --> 00:42:27,660
yes. Spoiler. Come on, tell us. All right,

646
00:42:28,140 --> 00:42:31,540
the next series we are going to dive into and

647
00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:35,100
dissect is A Court of thorns and Roses,

648
00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:38,980
Season 2. Go all the way. All the way,

649
00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:42,820
baby. All the way. We're getting deep in that

650
00:42:42,820 --> 00:42:46,140
fairy smut. Yes, bitch.

651
00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:52,080
Do it again. Damn,

652
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:52,360
man.