A Court of Thorns and Roses by Sarah J. Maas, The Butch Huntress Gets Fae-Napped, Pt 1

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Hey, listeners, you're about to hear part 1 of our deep dive into A Court

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of Thorns and Roses. One split-second decision changes

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everything, pulling Feyre into a world of powerful fae,

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ancient curses, and a love story she never expected.

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So settle in and let's cross the wall together.

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Okay, are we ready? Yeah.

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A starving Huntress, a cursed High Lord,

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And one bargain that changed everything.

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Today on Paperback Confessions, we're

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diving into A Court of Thorns and Roses,

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the fantasy romance that started my motherfucking

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obsession.

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Obsession is not taken lightly in this. Yeah, shit got

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wild with this one. I have so many opinions.

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Okay, good. So many. I can't wait. Let's do the basic

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info. Okay, so we are going to be talking about A Court of Thorns and

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Roses. That is book 1. In what we call the ACOTAR

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series. The author is Sarah J. Maas. It is

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a romance fantasy. Um, there are currently 5

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books in this series, but books 6 and

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7 are set to release in a few months. I think book

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6 comes out in October. Book 7 is in

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January. October 27th. I'm already

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composing the email to ask for time off for that. Day and the day after.

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You'll be there at the front waiting for that, that series.

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Yeah, I will be there at the front, uh,

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home with my coffee under my blankie reading

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my book. It's gonna be epic. Because January

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in upstate New York is fucked up and there's no better

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place than to be curled up in your bed reading a spicy

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book. Yeah, I'm just gonna shove October right into it.

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I love it. I love it. I definitely already preordered. So yeah, maybe I

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should take that day off too. That day and the next day, because then you're

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gonna have to recover from whatever it is that she's doing to us in that

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book. Yeah. Um, so A Court of Thorns and Roses

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is written in a first-person point of view.

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And I want to say, um, I think that the

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author, Sarah J. Maas, did a phenomenal motherfucking job

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with introducing us as the readers,

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not only to our main character Feyre, but also the

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entire world and dynamics in one

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chapter. In the very first chapter of this book, you are getting like

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this all-encompassing view of the character, the

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setting itself. There is this world that's divided.

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by this invisible wall. I, like, when I was reading it, I was thinking like

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the Great Wall of China, like this really

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long wall, but it's, it's invisible. And the

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northern part of the world is the immortal realm or like the

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fairy realm. And then the southern part of the world is the mortal

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or human realm. Mm-hmm. And

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this wall has like weakened spots. And

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we also learn in this world that

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There seems to be this, like we're on like

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the edge of a war of fairies and humans fighting it all

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out. And where our main character lives, Feyre, is

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pretty close to the wall. So she

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really introduces us into

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what it's like to be a mortal. Um, and

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Her struggle. So first impressions for you

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guys of Feyre in this book. Okay.

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From a lesbian point of view, just gonna say this.

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She is more, so she's like a butch, right?

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She's like super butch with like a little streak of feminism

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blended into her, but she's like super butch and like, I would

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be a little afraid to like walk up on her in

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the middle of a dark alley. 'Cause she, she will like fucking gut

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you. Okay. Butch badass.

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Butch badass. So like left turn

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from where I thought we were going, man. Really? No,

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why be sorry? That was fucking incredible. All I see is this

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scraggly little thin willowy

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tattered hair a mess

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person. So that you drew

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butch lesbian out of the description? I—

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it's your, again, beautiful fucking brains. Well, because

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of just like what she does and her actions are, right? Like most

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little femme girls aren't going to be out there hunting with a bow and arrow

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and like bringing dinner home to her sisters

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and her dad. To me, that's like, that's got

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good, like butch lesbian energy. You're so right though.

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Like, I think she would rather— goddamn it. She would rather be in pants than

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a fucking dress. Like, like, yeah. We learned that. Yeah, we

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definitely learned that about, about her as the story progresses.

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But I, I, uh, relate to Nacho because when I'm first reading

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this character, it's wintertime, it's snowing,

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she's cold, she's hungry, she's weak physically, right?

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Because she's gone without food. Yeah. And she's in the woods waiting

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for a kill, right? Like she is hunting. Yeah. So I can

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see the badass because I did think like, wow, that takes balls, right? Like,

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damn. She's also hunting with bow and arrows.

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So, yes. There's no guns here. Like, you don't see Barbie

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doing that, right? That it's more of like a G.I. Jane move. Yes.

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G.I. Jane. Yeah, you guys are, by God,

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just incr— yes, I see.

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Okay, I get it now where you brought that from, but I was just like,

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oh, this tiny skinny little baby is just like

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being a badass. I didn't go with that. I

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love that you did that whole— God, you guys are

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geniuses. I love that. Uh, to add to the

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badassery. That, G, I think you're saying is,

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um, you learn that she's hunting not just for herself,

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but she has— this is also chapter 1— you learn that

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she has made a promise to her mother before her mother died

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that she would keep her family together and take care of them. Now,

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here's like a little weird thing that I remember reading this the third

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time and Like, kind of understanding it.

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Do you know how old she was when she made that promise to her mom?

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She was like 11 or 12, right? Yeah, she was young.

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8 years old. Yeah. 8 years old. Really? Yeah.

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Can you imagine your parent? Because then, like, I read it again. Her mother makes

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her make that promise. Promise me that you will

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keep your family together. Yeah, she's a real piece of work, that mother. An

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8-year-old. She's the youngest of 3 daughters, which you also learn.

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Yeah. It's like, what the fuck? But to G's point, she's a

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badass. She's in the woods, she's hunting for herself, but really more

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importantly for her father and sisters. How old is she

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when we, we, we meet her then?

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I thought she was like 18, 19 years old. 18 or 19 or something like

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that. Yeah. Which then of course makes it everybody's legal and nobody's like

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being inappropriate or whatever. But

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Inappropriate is such a gentle word for that, but whatever. No, I know what you

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mean. Sorry. Yeah, I think she's 18 or 19.

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They've been impoverished for like 10 years.

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Sort of, because after the mother dies.

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Because she dies after they become impoverished.

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Mm-mm. I think it's before. Okay. The mother dies of

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like typhus or something, whatever the fuck typhus is. I've not Googled it. I don't

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want to know what that is. But, cuz

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remember the dad had a fortune from his

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family. Somebody in his family left him this money. Yeah. And he

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basically loses the majority of it. Yeah.

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Um, so her father loses majority of their fortune. Creditors come

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to their house, basically beat the shit outta the dad cuz I don't know if

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he couldn't pay them or what. Yeah. Uh, ruins the dad's leg. So

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you learn Feyre's father is also Basically a bit crippled.

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Uh, he can't really walk normally. Uh, we can argue whether or

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not he was really crippled or

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he just sort of accepted that he couldn't do anything and never tried.

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But after that, he does have money for a little bit,

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and then eventually it runs out. So

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she loses her mom young, makes that promise, but I,

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It's unclear how long she's actually having to hunt for

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their food. We just know it's been a long time. Like, she's skilled in

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this craft. She's been out there. She's doing this shit.

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But to the G.I. Jane badass, I can see that. I can see where that

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comes from because she's—

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yeah, she's doing it for her family and for herself.

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She sees a wolf. Rawr! Ooh, ooh, do that

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again.

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Rawr! That was really good.

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That's what the wolf sounds like after. Now we're

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hitting a little zombie action, but it's okay too. Hey, that

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could be a fun book. No, could

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you imagine? What's the zombie—

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what's the zombie eating?

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You got the zombie dick test. falling off

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mid-coitus. That's

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disgusting! Gonna kiss and then the lip ends up

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not on the front of the mouth but over by the ear. The ear's down

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in the shoulder. Like, what's happening right

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now? And he's just trying to ahh, ahh, ahh the whole

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time. Could you— you're like, bitch,

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no, that's too much teeth. Too much teeth! He goes

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down on him and it turns to dust. Yeah. Oh,

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let's make mud.

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We've officially gone too far.

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I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Skittles. I'm sorry. No, but I'm not really

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sorry. I mean, now that's the image I can't get

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outta my head. I was seeing Farrah in the woods and now I'm seeing zombie

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dicks. So I need to also get

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back on track. Give me a moment. Let me take another sip of this. We're

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gonna be here all night. Hi,

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I'm here. Hi. Okay. If I lose

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consciousness from laughing too much, just leave me on the

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floor. It's fine. So, yeah,

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so she's hunting in the woods. She thinks she's just there to, like, get a

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deer. She's pretty desperate. I think they have officially run out of food. So,

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like, this is, like, life or death at this point. She sees a deer and

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then spots in the distance there's a wolf. And the wolf to

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her appears much larger than a normal wolf. Um,

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we also learn, uh, kind of before the wolf appears that

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fairies can take on different forms. So when she sees

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the wolf, she's trying to assess, is this a wolf or

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is this a fairy? Either way, it doesn't matter to her because

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she hates fairies. So if it is a fairy, it's gonna die anyways.

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Mm-hmm. If it's a wolf, I gotta kill it because it could kill me.

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Mm-hmm. Um, she shows up that day to

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hunt with 3 arrows and a

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knife. 2 of the arrows are just normal-ass arrows. The

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3rd arrow though is an arrow made out of ash wood and iron.

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And the reason why that's important to the story is because fairies have a weakness.

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Their weakness is ash wood. Ash wood basically

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delays their ability to heal. So

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that it weakens them. So when she sees the wolf

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and she's debating, is this a wolf? Is it a fairy? She doesn't risk it.

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She gets the ash arrow out, fucking nails the wolf in the side.

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Cue G-Rex going,

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grrr.

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Grrr. We don't need a fucking soundboard.

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We've got G.

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She hits the wolf through the side, weakens him. He goes down. Then

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she shoots him in the eye with an arrow, kills the wolf.

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Um, in him dying, there is a scene where she,

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she notices that the wolf's looking at her, not really

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mad, but kind of like acknowledges that she's the

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one that killed him. Right? Like there's something weird that she, she kind of

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spots. Yeah. 'Cause he just lays there and like,

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Okay. This is happening. Yeah.

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She skins the wolf. She skins the wolf, takes the

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pelt, also takes the deer that he had killed. So now she's got

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meat and she's got pelt. And she, her weak little

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body, cuz I imagine what Nacho's seeing, like this weak little scraggly lady

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drags this deer and this pelt back to her little cottage where her

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father and her sisters are there. Now's probably when

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my fucked up, like, uh,

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like attitude is gonna come in because when I read that scene, and

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I'm very curious if it's just a me thing, can you imagine

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you've been fucking hunting all day in the goddamn cold snowy woods?

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Mm-hmm. You skin this shit,

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you're using your last strength to drag this kill back to

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feed your father and your sisters, and you show up there. And they're

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just like, oh, you're gonna skin that, right? You're gonna take care of that, right?

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Yeah. How long is this gonna take you to like clean this thing? And no,

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I didn't do the wood shopping because you're gonna do it. And,

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um, yeah, her sisters fucking pissed

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me off. Like, girl,

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fucking, like, I don't know, skin them. Okay,

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listen, they, they do absolutely nothing to

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help her. Nothing. And the dad either. The daddy, he's

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sitting by the fucking fire. So, okay, so the characters are, she's got 2 sisters.

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Elayne is the oldest, then it's Nesta,

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middle child, and Feyre the youngest. Elayne's the oldest?

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No, Nesta's the oldest. Elayne's the middle. Yeah. Feyre, thank you, is the

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youngest. And then the father is just sitting there.

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The father sometimes whittles wood into like figures and like

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sells it for a couple A buck here and there, right? Mm-hmm.

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Elaine don't do shit. She likes to garden.

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She plants flowers. I'm like, why can't you plant a vegetable?

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You know what I mean? Yeah. And, and, and Nesta just wants to take

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the money and go get fucking frilly things. Yes. And then like go

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find her man so she can get fucking laid. Yeah. Yeah.

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Nesta's like, hey, uh, the best I can do in life is look pretty

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and maybe marry a guy and then become his problem. So I can get outta

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this house and not deal with you. Yeah.

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Yeah. And, and Feyre, because she made this promise to her mom, I think

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that definitely puts her in a spot. She takes that very seriously. Like, I

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have to do this. This is my role. Yeah.

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Yeah. Okay. I'm happy you're all pissed. Yeah. No, I don't, I don't know that

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I would've, I don't know that I would've been

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as like gracious. Maybe. I definitely know I wouldn't have

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been. I'd have been like, Bitch, I literally am not

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even gonna deal. I'm not dealing with your shit. Yeah, how about

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like get off your fucking ass and come and help me? And then they've

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already spending— they're already spending the money that she hasn't even gotten for the pelts

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that she killed animals for. Oh yeah. Yeah. God. Like, I need

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new boots. I need a new coat. Are you fucking kidding me?

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My toes are sticking out the bottom of my shoes and I'm out there in

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the snow and the ice. Hmm. All

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day. All day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my

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God. No, I'm happy you said that. No, I was immediately pissed.

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Like the fact that they were already spending the money that she hadn't even gotten

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for the thing. Um, and then the way, uh, Nesta

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treats her is like such a fucking bitch. Like she calls her like,

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I think she's like, oh, you're like half animal or half beast or something because

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yeah. Like, how dare you like be doing these things? Like, how

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dare you be hunting to feed us? And you're just like a wild creature.

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Like, well, how the fuck are you gonna eat? 'Cause none of you 3

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are gonna get up off your fucking ass and like help me out. So. Better

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go scrape some bark. Right. Right. Do something.

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Eat some— Eat some berries. Ants. Literally

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anything. Literally fucking anything. Um, so here's how I

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describe Nesta. Proud, cold, and selfish. Her

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and, and Farrah are pretty much, excuse me, oil and water. Like they don't

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get along at all. Um, and then Elaine is kind of

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soft-spoken, really weak. I kind of thought,

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not like she's kind of weak. She's just like a

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lump on a log there. And, but weak in a way that like speaks

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to, for me, spoke to, uh,

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she's just never been. given

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something to do other than these

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hyper feminine, like the cross stitching and the like

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flower gardening. Like there are no expectations for her to live up to

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other than you're gonna sit down, shut up, look pretty,

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and do what I tell you. Yeah. So that kind of spoke

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to me for her. And that is like

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frustrating for me cuz I'm just like, dude, you could be doing

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literally anything. Yeah. Well, like what, what

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like pissed me off is like Feyre was parentified,

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right? Like she ended up being the parent and like

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somewhat of a wife to her dad. And you know, the

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way I see like Nesta is like, she's like,

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she's angry and she's still grieving, but she's still like a fucking

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bitch. And Elain, like I said, Lay around,

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don't do fucking anything, and just go play in your goddamn garden.

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And, and her dad is like,

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I'm, I mean, he's probably still grieving and everything, but

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he emotionally checked out like way before this

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book even started. Yeah.

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Yeah. I wonder how much of his disability is really like

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disabling him. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like he got hurt and

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then just sort of, okay, well, I don't, I

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don't need to do anything else. Like, I'm clearly hurt. So that's the thing about

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what we're doing here too, is like Skittles and I have read

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all of the books. G is reading them as we

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do this. Yes. We get ready to record. So I was

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explicitly told not to read the second book

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until we got done with this, which is good because I have a lot of

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fucking things to say about this book. And I will

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just say, I don't know if this is the time to say it or not,

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but Jesus fucking Christ, this, this book took me

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so long to read. I started reading this book in January,

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and for, for me, I had just

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gotten done reading like, um, Fourth Wing, the whole Fourth Wing,

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right? So I was ready for action and everything. I get into this book,

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Jesus motherfucking Christ. It took me 6

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months to read this book. 6. For— And

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like, it didn't get good until like chapter fucking 35.

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Okay, if that tells you anything. But because the girls told

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me like it gets better, I like plugged through. But I

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also used some of my Evelyn Wood speed reader,

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um, tactics to like kind of get through the book. There were a couple of

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places I need to go back. I was like, hmm, something happened. I didn't quite

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understand why, but now that I've read

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it, I'm ready to go into book 2. But I'm just gonna

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tell you, like, if you're looking for action, nothing really happens

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until like chapter 35. It gives you a lot of history

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up until then. And I'm old and impatient.

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Okay. So I like plowed through it. As evidenced by,

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don't edge me! In previous

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episodes, go back and listen to those episodes.

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We learned G does not like edging. Don't you fucking edge

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her. And this book was one giant edge, I guess. It was

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one giant edge. I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ, just get on

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with it. She goes to the woods, she hunts a wolf. It's like that uncomfortable

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moment when you're just like, you know what? I really didn't wanna be doing this

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right now, but they're here, so I might as well just.

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Sort of lived through it. It took me

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forever to read this book. I remember, uh, I had started it and then I

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was like, this ain't for me. Put it down. I, and then I met Nacho

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and Nacho was like, oh, have you read this series? And I was like, no,

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it's not for me. And then I had another friend who was like, hey, I'm

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starting to read it. So I was like, fuck, let me just pick this shit

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back up. And before G started reading it, I remember

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telling you like, yeah, if you're anything like me,

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the draw to continue reading didn't happen till way later on in

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the book. But, but now in hindsight, I

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can appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. Because there's so much world building

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and character building. Like you don't have to catch up to any of it in

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any of the other books because you already know, you've already

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consumed all of that dry knowledge

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that was, you know, when you're only looking for spice, it is dry

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knowledge. But when you

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go back and like reread or relisten or however you

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consume your, your Smut is like

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great because there's always something different. There's always a little bit different than you can

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catch on that you can get from it. So that's why I really like her.

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And, and you know, for me, like, time's not on my side anymore.

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Okay? Listen, I'm gonna be 63 in a couple of weeks.

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Like, I, I don't have time for fucking like draw

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me through blah, blah, blah. Listen. I, I need a

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little spice. Okay. Like, I don't know, just gimme a little

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nugget, like in certain parts of the book and that would be fine. But

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dude, I had to wait till chapter fucking 35 and

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listen, it took like 5 months just to get to

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that chapter. Oh, poor G.

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Hey, Nacho, if we could give G like, not

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sexual nuggets, but nuggets of

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Nesta and Elain. That could be

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like foreshadowing in her future reads from this

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book. First, she doesn't need any more motivation cuz she's gonna read 'em whether

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she likes it or not.

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You started it, now you're gonna finish it. Anyways, go ahead. I

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started the series and I have to finish because I have 2

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moms now that are apparently telling me I need to finish these books. You

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have smut. Parents. Yes. I have my smutty parents,

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my smut mamas. There you go. So like, I would say something like,

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for G, Nesta is

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very stubborn and almost has like a mind of steel.

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Okay.

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Does Elayne get any better or is she still like this fucking garden

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fairy? Elayne. I would say without revealing

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too much, I broke nacho Elaine.

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Um, shit. How do I wear this?

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She, Elaine is Elaine all the way

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through. She marches to the beat of her own drum.

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Yes. Yes. Yes. And her drum

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is on, uh, A different realm.

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Her, her, it's on drugs. Okay. It's on drugs

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and not the upper drugs on the like, like chill drugs. Like she's got

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a high dose of Prozac drum. Yeah. Drugs.

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Yeah. Mm-hmm. And what about her dad?

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He goes through some character changes. Everybody goes through some character changes.

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Okay. Right. But what you are seeing now

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is like the fundamentals.

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This is like the heart of the character. I will tell you what kind of

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like did pique my interest though. Okay. Is when,

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um, the dude came through the door of

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their dilapidated— how do you say that?

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Dilapidated. Dilapidated. Yeah. Their cottage.

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Messed up cottage. Messed up cottage. So like that, that

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kind of intrigued me. I'm like, hmm, must be something happening.

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Okay. Yeah. So to kind of go back to something you had said

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about reading it and needing like a little bit of spice to sort of like

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grip on, and there was only like up until, I

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don't know what chapter it is now. I'm gonna have to go and look to

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see what chapter 35 is, but up until the point where I got interested,

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um, There was just like a little, like a little like tease of like, oh,

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there might be spice when it brings us to where Feyre

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goes to the town with her 2 sisters to sell the wolf pelt. Okay.

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Um, and get money. And in that whole thing, we learn a little

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bit about, uh, more about the world building that, you know,

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there's these weird, what are they called? Like children of the beloved or some

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bullshit. Children of the corn. Yeah. Kind of. Right. So

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like there are people that love fairies and like There are these

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like talks of people crossing, uh, through the

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weak spots of this invisible wall. So like you kind of hear like, hey, there

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might be something else going on here. We're kind of tiptoeing on a war could

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happen between humans and fairies, whatever. Uh, we learn that Feyre has

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a little friend. She's got a little side piece. 'Cause you know, yeah, she, she

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hunts and she provides for her family, but she's still a woman with needs. And

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there is a guy that maybe sometimes they tussle around and

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the hay of like an abandoned building. So like, she's still a

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human. I remember reading that and being like, ooh, are we gonna get like a

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spicy scene? No, you don't. You just know it happens.

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Yeah. You just know that she's not a virgin. That's what we're establishing. She's just

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not a virgin. Yeah. So when she gets to the giant

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fae dick, it's not that big of a deal. Yeah. It's not her first time.

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Well, yeah. Well, the fae maybe. Anyways. Uh,

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so to fast forward to what you're getting to, uh, is They go

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to the town, they come back, they're all sort of sitting down before

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going to bed. And in bursts,

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actually, yeah. One, one thing to like kind of mention, cuz I think it's like

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foreshadowing. We're gonna come back to this a couple of times. Yeah. I think, yeah.

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Uh, foreshadowing is that what we also learn is the

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humans have these things that they think are, is

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going to protect them from fairies. And one of those are like these

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writings around the door of their dilapidated cottage. supposed to

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ward off fairies and nobody can come in. Well, that is not true because

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in bursts this creature of a man,

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um, which is like described as like some fucking, like,

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huge-ass wolf. Yeah. Like a huge-ass wolf with like

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not a wolf's body. I think there's like hooves and horns. Like it is like

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a, like this creature and it's immediately

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yelling. And calling them murderers.

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And what really pissed me off about this scene

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is that this creature bursts through and

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the only one who instinctually reacts

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to defend and protect is Feyre. She picks up a knife

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without even knowing she's going for protection. Her sisters are in the

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back just like crying and pissing on themselves cuz there's this creature in here yelling.

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And the dad is just like chilling there. And this creature's saying, murderer, who

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killed my friend? Who killed my friend? Somebody killed a wolf.

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Uh, Elena's screaming and like being little prissy girls. And the only one who has

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the balls to be like, oh, it was me, is Feyre. She's

455
00:29:34,091 --> 00:29:36,641
like, well, yeah, I did it. I didn't, I didn't really know he was a

456
00:29:37,017 --> 00:29:40,366
fairy though. I thought it was just a wolf. Right? But like

457
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,413
nobody protects her. Like nobody even tries. Yeah.

458
00:29:44,877 --> 00:29:47,081
They just assume that she's going to because she has been.

459
00:29:48,885 --> 00:29:51,748
Yeah, that shit pissed me off. Drove me crazy. I was like, my dad would

460
00:29:51,796 --> 00:29:55,646
never. Yeah. Never. Never. No.

461
00:29:56,082 --> 00:29:58,814
But like, you also know that

462
00:30:00,958 --> 00:30:04,762
there are people out there that would do that. Yeah. Yeah. So

463
00:30:04,762 --> 00:30:07,902
that just speaks to these characters, right? Like they're just, they're not willing to

464
00:30:09,191 --> 00:30:12,885
inconvenience themselves at all or put their neck out there for her. Yeah. They

465
00:30:12,949 --> 00:30:16,379
don't, they do not bend for her. No. But

466
00:30:16,541 --> 00:30:20,343
Nesta will bend for Elain and

467
00:30:20,343 --> 00:30:24,088
the dad will bend for Elain. Mm-hmm. And

468
00:30:24,282 --> 00:30:28,039
Nesta can't stand the dad, which I think is hysterical.

469
00:30:29,954 --> 00:30:33,534
She hates him. She hates him, which is like

470
00:30:33,550 --> 00:30:37,314
foreshadowing. Here's a foreshadowing

471
00:30:37,428 --> 00:30:38,979
for you. She hates him.

472
00:30:41,206 --> 00:30:44,000
And then magically, all of a sudden,

473
00:30:45,082 --> 00:30:48,781
books later, she doesn't? Yeah.

474
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,758
Mm. I don't think so. I don't think so.

475
00:30:53,955 --> 00:30:57,676
You can't, you can't, ugh. Well, I mean, you can cuz people

476
00:30:57,676 --> 00:31:01,311
do it and clearly this character does it, but that, that

477
00:31:01,311 --> 00:31:04,682
pisses me off. Why does she hate the dad? Just cuz he's a weak-ass bitch.

478
00:31:04,779 --> 00:31:08,086
Like he don't— Basically, yeah. He don't provide for them. She's like, he could get

479
00:31:08,086 --> 00:31:11,053
up and get a job and he just doesn't. He blames it on his leg.

480
00:31:12,081 --> 00:31:15,680
So she doesn't respect him for that. That's what it is. Maybe that's what it

481
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,295
is. It's not that she hates him. She doesn't respect him as a man. She's

482
00:31:19,295 --> 00:31:22,894
like, this guy's a bitch. So this, this creature bursts in and basically

483
00:31:22,990 --> 00:31:26,621
that's when we learn that there is this, oof, and this is gonna already trigger

484
00:31:26,621 --> 00:31:29,689
my fucking hate for this character. Fuck that guy.

485
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:34,108
We learn from this character, and I have a

486
00:31:34,108 --> 00:31:37,844
theory about this, but we learn from this character that part of the treaty

487
00:31:37,957 --> 00:31:41,663
between fairies and humans states, if you

488
00:31:42,084 --> 00:31:44,802
kill a fairy, you have an option.

489
00:31:46,123 --> 00:31:49,187
You pick one. You give your life for the life you took,

490
00:31:50,825 --> 00:31:54,499
which could mean you die. Hmm.

491
00:31:54,628 --> 00:31:58,364
Or according to this guy, you could also live on

492
00:31:58,364 --> 00:32:02,038
my lands for the rest of your existence will be spent on my land. So

493
00:32:02,038 --> 00:32:04,528
what's your choice? Do you want me to kill you? Or do you wanna come

494
00:32:04,528 --> 00:32:08,177
and live with me as my prisoner, as my captor? And

495
00:32:08,177 --> 00:32:11,648
that's the only time I think that the dad's like, oh, go Feyre.

496
00:32:12,491 --> 00:32:16,017
Like, go with this guy and live on his lands. Don't

497
00:32:16,098 --> 00:32:19,685
die. Don't come back. I think there's a part of— Like she had a choice.

498
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:21,866
I feel like there's a part of dad that's like,

499
00:32:23,917 --> 00:32:27,625
go and protect us and save us, but also like, go and

500
00:32:27,625 --> 00:32:30,839
get the hell outta here. Have a better life than what you're having here. Yeah.

501
00:32:30,919 --> 00:32:33,382
I feel like there's a, a, a part of him that,

502
00:32:35,025 --> 00:32:38,712
that wants her to be in a different space.

503
00:32:39,855 --> 00:32:42,760
Maybe that's just my want for that to be a part of it.

504
00:32:43,567 --> 00:32:46,506
Can I ask, do you think he

505
00:32:46,974 --> 00:32:50,651
knows that there is a better, that she can live

506
00:32:50,828 --> 00:32:54,534
better in the fairy realm? Like, do you think he knows that? I think he

507
00:32:54,534 --> 00:32:57,418
thinks it does because everybody thinks it. Yes.

508
00:32:58,250 --> 00:33:01,824
Yes, yes, I think he does believe that it is going to be

509
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,334
better in the fairy world because you have all these like

510
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,023
children of the flowy dresses that are like, oh,

511
00:33:09,184 --> 00:33:12,914
we're gonna go and we're gonna be forever in love and

512
00:33:13,106 --> 00:33:16,722
have all the things and it's all gonna be great. Foreshadowing.

513
00:33:18,847 --> 00:33:20,776
I'm gonna do that forever now. I'm gonna be like, foreshadowing.

514
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:28,633
I'm here for it. Sorry, I was pouring my drink and I was trying

515
00:33:28,633 --> 00:33:32,235
not to be loud. Do it. Just let's hear the ice.

516
00:33:35,263 --> 00:33:38,755
What, what are y'all drinking today? Uh, 'cause I think we all had a little

517
00:33:38,755 --> 00:33:41,480
something different. I have a cocktail called

518
00:33:42,711 --> 00:33:46,516
the Night Court. Mm-hmm. But we won't

519
00:33:46,613 --> 00:33:49,917
talk about what that means yet. Foreshadowy. And it's got

520
00:33:50,046 --> 00:33:52,844
lavender and, uh,

521
00:33:53,863 --> 00:33:57,582
butterfly pea tea or some shit and vodka.

522
00:33:57,906 --> 00:34:01,498
And it's got little glitter in there, a little lemon juice. It's fucking

523
00:34:01,498 --> 00:34:05,025
delightful. A little tonic water. Uh,

524
00:34:05,299 --> 00:34:09,027
you're gonna sleep well. It tastes amaz— tastes amazing. You're gonna sleep well tonight.

525
00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:14,505
What about you, Nacho? Oh, Lisa the lesbian made me

526
00:34:14,586 --> 00:34:18,163
a beautiful margarita. She goes, I have

527
00:34:18,195 --> 00:34:20,805
Patron. And I said, you have my heart.

528
00:34:24,092 --> 00:34:27,939
What about you, G? I'm having, uh, my take on

529
00:34:27,972 --> 00:34:31,592
an espresso martini. Okay. Fantastic.

530
00:34:31,656 --> 00:34:35,480
Because I needed— I should have drank espresso martinis while I was reading

531
00:34:35,512 --> 00:34:39,175
the book, 'cause maybe it would've kept me awake until chapter 35.

532
00:34:39,432 --> 00:34:42,538
Well, let me see if I can give your love back to this book, 'cause

533
00:34:42,911 --> 00:34:46,332
here's Here's my, when I said I have a theory about this.

534
00:34:46,991 --> 00:34:50,767
Do it. I feel like, and,

535
00:34:50,944 --> 00:34:54,719
and somebody's gotta check me on this and it could be a, a listener

536
00:34:55,025 --> 00:34:58,864
or me later on. I feel like Tamlin

537
00:34:59,121 --> 00:35:02,559
lied about that treaty. Like, I feel like he lied.

538
00:35:03,780 --> 00:35:06,352
Tamlin is the name of the fucking beast that burst through the door

539
00:35:08,436 --> 00:35:12,052
later on in the book. We find out

540
00:35:13,933 --> 00:35:17,439
that Tamlin is cursed. Mm-hmm. And he has a

541
00:35:17,471 --> 00:35:21,283
set amount of time, which, do you know how he

542
00:35:21,283 --> 00:35:24,631
has like 49, 50 years? He has 50 years

543
00:35:25,569 --> 00:35:29,308
to break this curse. Mm-hmm. And part of breaking

544
00:35:29,437 --> 00:35:32,533
the curse, I, I suppose, is a plan he comes up with,

545
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:36,851
which is he needs a human. who had hate in

546
00:35:36,884 --> 00:35:40,731
their heart when they killed a fairy. Yep. To fall in

547
00:35:40,731 --> 00:35:44,248
love with him. And I

548
00:35:44,296 --> 00:35:48,086
think he devises the plan of, well, shit, I'm in the, I'm in

549
00:35:48,086 --> 00:35:51,711
the fairy realm. How do I get a human here? And

550
00:35:51,727 --> 00:35:55,563
so he starts sending out his soldiers one by one into the

551
00:35:55,563 --> 00:35:59,291
human realm. So when he talks

552
00:35:59,291 --> 00:36:02,983
about this part of the treaty of like a life for a life, I think

553
00:36:03,047 --> 00:36:06,723
that's him lying. 'Cause he, he even says

554
00:36:06,755 --> 00:36:09,772
like, oh, humans always forget that part of the treaty.

555
00:36:10,687 --> 00:36:13,801
So my theory is, yo, this guy's been lying from day one. Like he's like,

556
00:36:13,881 --> 00:36:17,412
oh, whoops. Just so happens there was this

557
00:36:17,412 --> 00:36:20,911
treaty. Like, and now you have to come here with me,

558
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,779
human, with hate in her heart. Yeah. This treaty that was created 500 years

559
00:36:24,811 --> 00:36:27,652
ago or whatever. And now I'm just gonna use to my

560
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,454
Soul advantage. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

561
00:36:32,503 --> 00:36:34,992
Feshy, feshy like a motherfucker. Yeah.

562
00:36:36,213 --> 00:36:39,988
So this character's name is Tamlin. Feyre goes, she, she

563
00:36:39,988 --> 00:36:43,522
chooses to live the rest of her life in his world versus die.

564
00:36:44,228 --> 00:36:47,425
My heart broke for her when she's leaving and she's trying to tell her sisters

565
00:36:48,084 --> 00:36:51,023
all of what they need to know because Feyre has been the provider and all

566
00:36:51,071 --> 00:36:53,465
this shit. And she's like, oh, you only have food that's gonna last you till

567
00:36:53,545 --> 00:36:57,018
this and do that. And like, she's just trying to give them everything. And like

568
00:36:57,018 --> 00:37:00,825
that minute of her leaving and it broke

569
00:37:00,825 --> 00:37:04,035
my heart. Like I was like, she also tries to tell Nesta, like,

570
00:37:04,906 --> 00:37:08,422
cuz Nesta at one point is like, I'm in talks, I'm gonna marry this guy.

571
00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:12,696
And she's like, Nesta, this guy's an asshole. The dad of this guy

572
00:37:13,067 --> 00:37:16,775
beats the mom. Like, don't go. Don't

573
00:37:16,872 --> 00:37:20,241
do it. They don't, right? They're not good people. And she's just,

574
00:37:20,483 --> 00:37:23,472
Nesta's like, fuck you, dude. Yeah, it broke my heart. She's trying to tell them

575
00:37:23,504 --> 00:37:27,350
everything in like, in this minute and hoping that they listen and they,

576
00:37:27,494 --> 00:37:31,340
they absorb what she's saying. Um, and before they leave, we

577
00:37:31,340 --> 00:37:35,090
end up finding out that Tamlin quote unquote glamours her family

578
00:37:35,539 --> 00:37:38,808
so that they forget that he burst through the door and like destroyed their

579
00:37:38,808 --> 00:37:42,590
dilapidated cottage. Right. And makes them believe that Feyre

580
00:37:42,590 --> 00:37:45,779
is not at the fairy realm, but instead taking care of a sick

581
00:37:45,779 --> 00:37:46,869
aunt.

582
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:52,756
So what a mess. Yeah. They end up leaving.

583
00:37:54,316 --> 00:37:57,610
Fuck Tamlin. Um, I'm sorry, I just had to get that outta the way. Get

584
00:37:57,610 --> 00:38:00,605
it, do it, dude. This is, this is the— yes.

585
00:38:01,571 --> 00:38:05,177
Yeah. Say it out loud. Say it strong. Before we dive into like the fairy

586
00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:08,129
side of this, do you guys have any last thoughts on the human realm?

587
00:38:10,881 --> 00:38:14,629
For me, I thought it Okay, as fucked up

588
00:38:14,629 --> 00:38:17,878
as this sounds, it sounded to me like it was a fresh

589
00:38:17,942 --> 00:38:19,445
start for Feyre.

590
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,429
Yeah. Right? Because now she's— she doesn't have these

591
00:38:25,462 --> 00:38:28,801
people dependent upon her, and like, her

592
00:38:29,495 --> 00:38:33,264
butchiness comes— is starting to come out. But she also has

593
00:38:33,296 --> 00:38:36,802
that, like I said, a very slight, soft

594
00:38:36,867 --> 00:38:39,451
feminine side to her, but it's like, Super slight.

595
00:38:40,604 --> 00:38:44,130
But for me, I, I saw it as freedom for her,

596
00:38:44,370 --> 00:38:48,104
even though she had made this promise to her mom. I love

597
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,693
that. And that's like her last way of, of protecting them.

598
00:38:52,142 --> 00:38:55,971
The last time she's able to do it directly. Genius.

599
00:38:56,933 --> 00:39:00,554
Yeah. One last fuck Tamlin. Is that— Just one

600
00:39:00,554 --> 00:39:03,246
last fuck Tamlin? Ugh, no. Probably

601
00:39:03,246 --> 00:39:06,964
100,000 more, but— Come on! I'm just kidding. They, they

602
00:39:06,964 --> 00:39:10,763
get on his horse and they start making the trip across the wall, right?

603
00:39:10,811 --> 00:39:14,449
Like it's a long journey. I forget how many days or whatever. And at

604
00:39:14,481 --> 00:39:18,247
first it's silent and quiet. And then she starts to try to figure her

605
00:39:18,247 --> 00:39:21,388
way out of this. Like there's gotta be a loophole. What do I know about

606
00:39:21,388 --> 00:39:25,075
this guy? Starts to ask him questions and instead of like just

607
00:39:25,075 --> 00:39:28,921
answering her, he fucking like knocks her out. Yeah, he knocks that

608
00:39:28,921 --> 00:39:32,768
bitch out. Mm-hmm. She don't wake up until she's in his land.

609
00:39:33,312 --> 00:39:36,931
Days later. Fuck. That guy in the house. Yep.

610
00:39:37,351 --> 00:39:40,885
Yeah. Let's take away more choice. Took her, knocks her

611
00:39:40,966 --> 00:39:44,453
out, brings her over. Now she's, she's sort of waking up in this

612
00:39:44,453 --> 00:39:46,055
land. Um, and