A Court of Thorns and Roses by Sarah J. Maas, The Butch Huntress Gets Fae-Napped, Pt 1

0:00 Hey, listeners, you're about to hear part 1 of our deep dive into A Court of Thorns and Roses. One split-second decision changes everything, pulling Feyre into a world of powerful fae, ancient curses, and a love story she never expected. So settle in and let's cross the wall together. Okay, are we ready? Yeah. A starving Huntress, a cursed High Lord, And one bargain that changed everything. Today on Paperback Confessions, we're diving into A Court of Thorns and Roses, the fantasy romance that started my motherfucking obsession.

1:12 Obsession is not taken lightly in this. Yeah, shit got wild with this one. I have so many opinions. Okay, good. So many. I can't wait. Let's do the basic info. Okay, so we are going to be talking about A Court of Thorns and Roses. That is book 1. In what we call the ACOTAR series. The author is Sarah J. Maas. It is a romance fantasy. Um, there are currently 5 books in this series, but books 6 and 7 are set to release in a few months. I think book 6 comes out in October. Book 7 is in January. October 27th. I'm already composing the email to ask for time off for that. Day and the day after.

1:57 You'll be there at the front waiting for that, that series. Yeah, I will be there at the front, uh, home with my coffee under my blankie reading my book. It's gonna be epic. Because January in upstate New York is fucked up and there's no better place than to be curled up in your bed reading a spicy book. Yeah, I'm just gonna shove October right into it. I love it. I love it. I definitely already preordered. So yeah, maybe I should take that day off too. That day and the next day, because then you're gonna have to recover from whatever it is that she's doing to us in that book. Yeah. Um, so A Court of Thorns and Roses is written in a first-person point of view.

2:42 And I want to say, um, I think that the author, Sarah J. Maas, did a phenomenal motherfucking job with introducing us as the readers, not only to our main character Feyre, but also the entire world and dynamics in one chapter. In the very first chapter of this book, you are getting like this all-encompassing view of the character, the setting itself. There is this world that's divided. by this invisible wall. I, like, when I was reading it, I was thinking like the Great Wall of China, like this really long wall, but it's, it's invisible. And the northern part of the world is the immortal realm or like the fairy realm. And then the southern part of the world is the mortal or human realm. Mm-hmm. And this wall has like weakened spots. And we also learn in this world that There seems to be this, like we're on like the edge of a war of fairies and humans fighting it all out. And where our main character lives, Feyre, is pretty close to the wall. So she really introduces us into what it's like to be a mortal. Um, and Her struggle. So first impressions for you guys of Feyre in this book. Okay.

4:16 From a lesbian point of view, just gonna say this. She is more, so she's like a butch, right? She's like super butch with like a little streak of feminism blended into her, but she's like super butch and like, I would be a little afraid to like walk up on her in the middle of a dark alley. 'Cause she, she will like fucking gut you. Okay. Butch badass. Butch badass. So like left turn from where I thought we were going, man. Really? No, why be sorry? That was fucking incredible. All I see is this scraggly little thin willowy tattered hair a mess person. So that you drew butch lesbian out of the description? I— it's your, again, beautiful fucking brains. Well, because of just like what she does and her actions are, right? Like most little femme girls aren't going to be out there hunting with a bow and arrow and like bringing dinner home to her sisters and her dad. To me, that's like, that's got good, like butch lesbian energy. You're so right though.

5:35 Like, I think she would rather— goddamn it. She would rather be in pants than a fucking dress. Like, like, yeah. We learned that. Yeah, we definitely learned that about, about her as the story progresses. But I, I, uh, relate to Nacho because when I'm first reading this character, it's wintertime, it's snowing, she's cold, she's hungry, she's weak physically, right? Because she's gone without food. Yeah. And she's in the woods waiting for a kill, right? Like she is hunting. Yeah. So I can see the badass because I did think like, wow, that takes balls, right? Like, damn. She's also hunting with bow and arrows. So, yes. There's no guns here. Like, you don't see Barbie doing that, right? That it's more of like a G.I. Jane move. Yes.

6:22 G.I. Jane. Yeah, you guys are, by God, just incr— yes, I see. Okay, I get it now where you brought that from, but I was just like, oh, this tiny skinny little baby is just like being a badass. I didn't go with that. I love that you did that whole— God, you guys are geniuses. I love that. Uh, to add to the badassery. That, G, I think you're saying is, um, you learn that she's hunting not just for herself, but she has— this is also chapter 1— you learn that she has made a promise to her mother before her mother died that she would keep her family together and take care of them. Now, here's like a little weird thing that I remember reading this the third time and Like, kind of understanding it.

7:19 Do you know how old she was when she made that promise to her mom? She was like 11 or 12, right? Yeah, she was young. 8 years old. Yeah. 8 years old. Really? Yeah. Can you imagine your parent? Because then, like, I read it again. Her mother makes her make that promise. Promise me that you will keep your family together. Yeah, she's a real piece of work, that mother. An 8-year-old. She's the youngest of 3 daughters, which you also learn. Yeah. It's like, what the fuck? But to G's point, she's a badass. She's in the woods, she's hunting for herself, but really more importantly for her father and sisters. How old is she when we, we, we meet her then?

8:01 I thought she was like 18, 19 years old. 18 or 19 or something like that. Yeah. Which then of course makes it everybody's legal and nobody's like being inappropriate or whatever. But Inappropriate is such a gentle word for that, but whatever. No, I know what you mean. Sorry. Yeah, I think she's 18 or 19. They've been impoverished for like 10 years. Sort of, because after the mother dies. Because she dies after they become impoverished. Mm-mm. I think it's before. Okay. The mother dies of like typhus or something, whatever the fuck typhus is. I've not Googled it. I don't want to know what that is. But, cuz remember the dad had a fortune from his family. Somebody in his family left him this money. Yeah. And he basically loses the majority of it. Yeah.

8:55 Um, so her father loses majority of their fortune. Creditors come to their house, basically beat the shit outta the dad cuz I don't know if he couldn't pay them or what. Yeah. Uh, ruins the dad's leg. So you learn Feyre's father is also Basically a bit crippled. Uh, he can't really walk normally. Uh, we can argue whether or not he was really crippled or he just sort of accepted that he couldn't do anything and never tried. But after that, he does have money for a little bit, and then eventually it runs out. So she loses her mom young, makes that promise, but I, It's unclear how long she's actually having to hunt for their food. We just know it's been a long time. Like, she's skilled in this craft. She's been out there. She's doing this shit.

9:49 But to the G.I. Jane badass, I can see that. I can see where that comes from because she's— yeah, she's doing it for her family and for herself. She sees a wolf. Rawr! Ooh, ooh, do that again. Rawr! That was really good. That's what the wolf sounds like after. Now we're hitting a little zombie action, but it's okay too. Hey, that could be a fun book. No, could you imagine? What's the zombie— what's the zombie eating?

10:32 You got the zombie dick test. falling off mid-coitus. That's disgusting! Gonna kiss and then the lip ends up not on the front of the mouth but over by the ear. The ear's down in the shoulder. Like, what's happening right now? And he's just trying to ahh, ahh, ahh the whole time. Could you— you're like, bitch, no, that's too much teeth. Too much teeth! He goes down on him and it turns to dust. Yeah. Oh, let's make mud. We've officially gone too far.

11:16 I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Skittles. I'm sorry. No, but I'm not really sorry. I mean, now that's the image I can't get outta my head. I was seeing Farrah in the woods and now I'm seeing zombie dicks. So I need to also get back on track. Give me a moment. Let me take another sip of this. We're gonna be here all night. Hi, I'm here. Hi. Okay. If I lose consciousness from laughing too much, just leave me on the floor. It's fine. So, yeah, so she's hunting in the woods. She thinks she's just there to, like, get a deer. She's pretty desperate. I think they have officially run out of food. So, like, this is, like, life or death at this point. She sees a deer and then spots in the distance there's a wolf. And the wolf to her appears much larger than a normal wolf. Um, we also learn, uh, kind of before the wolf appears that fairies can take on different forms. So when she sees the wolf, she's trying to assess, is this a wolf or is this a fairy? Either way, it doesn't matter to her because she hates fairies. So if it is a fairy, it's gonna die anyways.

12:25 Mm-hmm. If it's a wolf, I gotta kill it because it could kill me. Mm-hmm. Um, she shows up that day to hunt with 3 arrows and a knife. 2 of the arrows are just normal-ass arrows. The 3rd arrow though is an arrow made out of ash wood and iron. And the reason why that's important to the story is because fairies have a weakness. Their weakness is ash wood. Ash wood basically delays their ability to heal. So that it weakens them. So when she sees the wolf and she's debating, is this a wolf? Is it a fairy? She doesn't risk it. She gets the ash arrow out, fucking nails the wolf in the side.

13:07 Cue G-Rex going, grrr. Grrr. We don't need a fucking soundboard. We've got G. She hits the wolf through the side, weakens him. He goes down. Then she shoots him in the eye with an arrow, kills the wolf. Um, in him dying, there is a scene where she, she notices that the wolf's looking at her, not really mad, but kind of like acknowledges that she's the one that killed him. Right? Like there's something weird that she, she kind of spots. Yeah. 'Cause he just lays there and like, Okay. This is happening. Yeah.

13:52 She skins the wolf. She skins the wolf, takes the pelt, also takes the deer that he had killed. So now she's got meat and she's got pelt. And she, her weak little body, cuz I imagine what Nacho's seeing, like this weak little scraggly lady drags this deer and this pelt back to her little cottage where her father and her sisters are there. Now's probably when my fucked up, like, uh, like attitude is gonna come in because when I read that scene, and I'm very curious if it's just a me thing, can you imagine you've been fucking hunting all day in the goddamn cold snowy woods? Mm-hmm. You skin this shit, you're using your last strength to drag this kill back to feed your father and your sisters, and you show up there. And they're just like, oh, you're gonna skin that, right? You're gonna take care of that, right?

14:44 Yeah. How long is this gonna take you to like clean this thing? And no, I didn't do the wood shopping because you're gonna do it. And, um, yeah, her sisters fucking pissed me off. Like, girl, fucking, like, I don't know, skin them. Okay, listen, they, they do absolutely nothing to help her. Nothing. And the dad either. The daddy, he's sitting by the fucking fire. So, okay, so the characters are, she's got 2 sisters. Elayne is the oldest, then it's Nesta, middle child, and Feyre the youngest. Elayne's the oldest? No, Nesta's the oldest. Elayne's the middle. Yeah. Feyre, thank you, is the youngest. And then the father is just sitting there.

15:29 The father sometimes whittles wood into like figures and like sells it for a couple A buck here and there, right? Mm-hmm. Elaine don't do shit. She likes to garden. She plants flowers. I'm like, why can't you plant a vegetable? You know what I mean? Yeah. And, and, and Nesta just wants to take the money and go get fucking frilly things. Yes. And then like go find her man so she can get fucking laid. Yeah. Yeah. Nesta's like, hey, uh, the best I can do in life is look pretty and maybe marry a guy and then become his problem. So I can get outta this house and not deal with you. Yeah. Yeah. And, and Feyre, because she made this promise to her mom, I think that definitely puts her in a spot. She takes that very seriously. Like, I have to do this. This is my role. Yeah.

16:18 Yeah. Okay. I'm happy you're all pissed. Yeah. No, I don't, I don't know that I would've, I don't know that I would've been as like gracious. Maybe. I definitely know I wouldn't have been. I'd have been like, Bitch, I literally am not even gonna deal. I'm not dealing with your shit. Yeah, how about like get off your fucking ass and come and help me? And then they've already spending— they're already spending the money that she hasn't even gotten for the pelts that she killed animals for. Oh yeah. Yeah. God. Like, I need new boots. I need a new coat. Are you fucking kidding me? My toes are sticking out the bottom of my shoes and I'm out there in the snow and the ice. Hmm. All day. All day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God. No, I'm happy you said that. No, I was immediately pissed.

17:06 Like the fact that they were already spending the money that she hadn't even gotten for the thing. Um, and then the way, uh, Nesta treats her is like such a fucking bitch. Like she calls her like, I think she's like, oh, you're like half animal or half beast or something because yeah. Like, how dare you like be doing these things? Like, how dare you be hunting to feed us? And you're just like a wild creature. Like, well, how the fuck are you gonna eat? 'Cause none of you 3 are gonna get up off your fucking ass and like help me out. So. Better go scrape some bark. Right. Right. Do something. Eat some— Eat some berries. Ants. Literally anything. Literally fucking anything. Um, so here's how I describe Nesta. Proud, cold, and selfish. Her and, and Farrah are pretty much, excuse me, oil and water. Like they don't get along at all. Um, and then Elaine is kind of soft-spoken, really weak. I kind of thought, not like she's kind of weak. She's just like a lump on a log there. And, but weak in a way that like speaks to, for me, spoke to, uh, she's just never been. given something to do other than these hyper feminine, like the cross stitching and the like flower gardening. Like there are no expectations for her to live up to other than you're gonna sit down, shut up, look pretty, and do what I tell you. Yeah. So that kind of spoke

18:39 to me for her. And that is like frustrating for me cuz I'm just like, dude, you could be doing literally anything. Yeah. Well, like what, what like pissed me off is like Feyre was parentified, right? Like she ended up being the parent and like somewhat of a wife to her dad. And you know, the way I see like Nesta is like, she's like, she's angry and she's still grieving, but she's still like a fucking bitch. And Elain, like I said, Lay around, don't do fucking anything, and just go play in your goddamn garden. And, and her dad is like, I'm, I mean, he's probably still grieving and everything, but he emotionally checked out like way before this book even started. Yeah.

19:34 Yeah. I wonder how much of his disability is really like disabling him. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like he got hurt and then just sort of, okay, well, I don't, I don't need to do anything else. Like, I'm clearly hurt. So that's the thing about what we're doing here too, is like Skittles and I have read all of the books. G is reading them as we do this. Yes. We get ready to record. So I was explicitly told not to read the second book until we got done with this, which is good because I have a lot of fucking things to say about this book. And I will just say, I don't know if this is the time to say it or not, but Jesus fucking Christ, this, this book took me so long to read. I started reading this book in January, and for, for me, I had just gotten done reading like, um, Fourth Wing, the whole Fourth Wing, right? So I was ready for action and everything. I get into this book, Jesus motherfucking Christ. It took me 6 months to read this book. 6. For— And like, it didn't get good until like chapter fucking 35.

20:45 Okay, if that tells you anything. But because the girls told me like it gets better, I like plugged through. But I also used some of my Evelyn Wood speed reader, um, tactics to like kind of get through the book. There were a couple of places I need to go back. I was like, hmm, something happened. I didn't quite understand why, but now that I've read it, I'm ready to go into book 2. But I'm just gonna tell you, like, if you're looking for action, nothing really happens until like chapter 35. It gives you a lot of history up until then. And I'm old and impatient. Okay. So I like plowed through it. As evidenced by, don't edge me! In previous episodes, go back and listen to those episodes.

21:35 We learned G does not like edging. Don't you fucking edge her. And this book was one giant edge, I guess. It was one giant edge. I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ, just get on with it. She goes to the woods, she hunts a wolf. It's like that uncomfortable moment when you're just like, you know what? I really didn't wanna be doing this right now, but they're here, so I might as well just. Sort of lived through it. It took me forever to read this book. I remember, uh, I had started it and then I was like, this ain't for me. Put it down. I, and then I met Nacho and Nacho was like, oh, have you read this series? And I was like, no, it's not for me. And then I had another friend who was like, hey, I'm starting to read it. So I was like, fuck, let me just pick this shit back up. And before G started reading it, I remember telling you like, yeah, if you're anything like me, the draw to continue reading didn't happen till way later on in the book. But, but now in hindsight, I can appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. Because there's so much world building and character building. Like you don't have to catch up to any of it in any of the other books because you already know, you've already consumed all of that dry knowledge that was, you know, when you're only looking for spice, it is dry knowledge. But when you go back and like reread or relisten or however you consume your, your Smut is like great because there's always something different. There's always a little bit different than you can catch on that you can get from it. So that's why I really like her.

23:10 And, and you know, for me, like, time's not on my side anymore. Okay? Listen, I'm gonna be 63 in a couple of weeks. Like, I, I don't have time for fucking like draw me through blah, blah, blah. Listen. I, I need a little spice. Okay. Like, I don't know, just gimme a little nugget, like in certain parts of the book and that would be fine. But dude, I had to wait till chapter fucking 35 and listen, it took like 5 months just to get to that chapter. Oh, poor G. Hey, Nacho, if we could give G like, not sexual nuggets, but nuggets of Nesta and Elain. That could be like foreshadowing in her future reads from this book. First, she doesn't need any more motivation cuz she's gonna read 'em whether she likes it or not.

24:07 You started it, now you're gonna finish it. Anyways, go ahead. I started the series and I have to finish because I have 2 moms now that are apparently telling me I need to finish these books. You have smut. Parents. Yes. I have my smutty parents, my smut mamas. There you go. So like, I would say something like, for G, Nesta is very stubborn and almost has like a mind of steel. Okay. Does Elayne get any better or is she still like this fucking garden fairy? Elayne. I would say without revealing too much, I broke nacho Elaine.

24:53 Um, shit. How do I wear this? She, Elaine is Elaine all the way through. She marches to the beat of her own drum. Yes. Yes. Yes. And her drum is on, uh, A different realm. Her, her, it's on drugs. Okay. It's on drugs and not the upper drugs on the like, like chill drugs. Like she's got a high dose of Prozac drum. Yeah. Drugs. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And what about her dad?

25:34 He goes through some character changes. Everybody goes through some character changes. Okay. Right. But what you are seeing now is like the fundamentals. This is like the heart of the character. I will tell you what kind of like did pique my interest though. Okay. Is when, um, the dude came through the door of their dilapidated— how do you say that? Dilapidated. Dilapidated. Yeah. Their cottage. Messed up cottage. Messed up cottage. So like that, that kind of intrigued me. I'm like, hmm, must be something happening. Okay. Yeah. So to kind of go back to something you had said about reading it and needing like a little bit of spice to sort of like grip on, and there was only like up until, I don't know what chapter it is now. I'm gonna have to go and look to see what chapter 35 is, but up until the point where I got interested, um, There was just like a little, like a little like tease of like, oh, there might be spice when it brings us to where Feyre goes to the town with her 2 sisters to sell the wolf pelt. Okay.

26:41 Um, and get money. And in that whole thing, we learn a little bit about, uh, more about the world building that, you know, there's these weird, what are they called? Like children of the beloved or some bullshit. Children of the corn. Yeah. Kind of. Right. So like there are people that love fairies and like There are these like talks of people crossing, uh, through the weak spots of this invisible wall. So like you kind of hear like, hey, there might be something else going on here. We're kind of tiptoeing on a war could happen between humans and fairies, whatever. Uh, we learn that Feyre has a little friend. She's got a little side piece. 'Cause you know, yeah, she, she hunts and she provides for her family, but she's still a woman with needs. And there is a guy that maybe sometimes they tussle around and the hay of like an abandoned building. So like, she's still a human. I remember reading that and being like, ooh, are we gonna get like a spicy scene? No, you don't. You just know it happens.

27:38 Yeah. You just know that she's not a virgin. That's what we're establishing. She's just not a virgin. Yeah. So when she gets to the giant fae dick, it's not that big of a deal. Yeah. It's not her first time. Well, yeah. Well, the fae maybe. Anyways. Uh, so to fast forward to what you're getting to, uh, is They go to the town, they come back, they're all sort of sitting down before going to bed. And in bursts, actually, yeah. One, one thing to like kind of mention, cuz I think it's like foreshadowing. We're gonna come back to this a couple of times. Yeah. I think, yeah. Uh, foreshadowing is that what we also learn is the humans have these things that they think are, is going to protect them from fairies. And one of those are like these writings around the door of their dilapidated cottage. supposed to ward off fairies and nobody can come in. Well, that is not true because in bursts this creature of a man, um, which is like described as like some fucking, like, huge-ass wolf. Yeah. Like a huge-ass wolf with like not a wolf's body. I think there's like hooves and horns. Like it is like a, like this creature and it's immediately yelling. And calling them murderers.

28:55 And what really pissed me off about this scene is that this creature bursts through and the only one who instinctually reacts to defend and protect is Feyre. She picks up a knife without even knowing she's going for protection. Her sisters are in the back just like crying and pissing on themselves cuz there's this creature in here yelling. And the dad is just like chilling there. And this creature's saying, murderer, who killed my friend? Who killed my friend? Somebody killed a wolf. Uh, Elena's screaming and like being little prissy girls. And the only one who has the balls to be like, oh, it was me, is Feyre. She's like, well, yeah, I did it. I didn't, I didn't really know he was a fairy though. I thought it was just a wolf. Right? But like nobody protects her. Like nobody even tries. Yeah.

29:44 They just assume that she's going to because she has been. Yeah, that shit pissed me off. Drove me crazy. I was like, my dad would never. Yeah. Never. Never. No. But like, you also know that there are people out there that would do that. Yeah. Yeah. So that just speaks to these characters, right? Like they're just, they're not willing to inconvenience themselves at all or put their neck out there for her. Yeah. They don't, they do not bend for her. No. But Nesta will bend for Elain and the dad will bend for Elain. Mm-hmm. And Nesta can't stand the dad, which I think is hysterical.

30:29 She hates him. She hates him, which is like foreshadowing. Here's a foreshadowing for you. She hates him. And then magically, all of a sudden, books later, she doesn't? Yeah. Mm. I don't think so. I don't think so. You can't, you can't, ugh. Well, I mean, you can cuz people do it and clearly this character does it, but that, that pisses me off. Why does she hate the dad? Just cuz he's a weak-ass bitch. Like he don't— Basically, yeah. He don't provide for them. She's like, he could get up and get a job and he just doesn't. He blames it on his leg.

31:12 So she doesn't respect him for that. That's what it is. Maybe that's what it is. It's not that she hates him. She doesn't respect him as a man. She's like, this guy's a bitch. So this, this creature bursts in and basically that's when we learn that there is this, oof, and this is gonna already trigger my fucking hate for this character. Fuck that guy. We learn from this character, and I have a theory about this, but we learn from this character that part of the treaty between fairies and humans states, if you kill a fairy, you have an option. You pick one. You give your life for the life you took, which could mean you die. Hmm.

31:54 Or according to this guy, you could also live on my lands for the rest of your existence will be spent on my land. So what's your choice? Do you want me to kill you? Or do you wanna come and live with me as my prisoner, as my captor? And that's the only time I think that the dad's like, oh, go Feyre. Like, go with this guy and live on his lands. Don't die. Don't come back. I think there's a part of— Like she had a choice. I feel like there's a part of dad that's like, go and protect us and save us, but also like, go and get the hell outta here. Have a better life than what you're having here. Yeah. I feel like there's a, a, a part of him that, that wants her to be in a different space.

32:39 Maybe that's just my want for that to be a part of it. Can I ask, do you think he knows that there is a better, that she can live better in the fairy realm? Like, do you think he knows that? I think he thinks it does because everybody thinks it. Yes. Yes, yes, I think he does believe that it is going to be better in the fairy world because you have all these like children of the flowy dresses that are like, oh, we're gonna go and we're gonna be forever in love and have all the things and it's all gonna be great. Foreshadowing. I'm gonna do that forever now. I'm gonna be like, foreshadowing.

33:25 I'm here for it. Sorry, I was pouring my drink and I was trying not to be loud. Do it. Just let's hear the ice. What, what are y'all drinking today? Uh, 'cause I think we all had a little something different. I have a cocktail called the Night Court. Mm-hmm. But we won't talk about what that means yet. Foreshadowy. And it's got lavender and, uh, butterfly pea tea or some shit and vodka. And it's got little glitter in there, a little lemon juice. It's fucking delightful. A little tonic water. Uh, you're gonna sleep well. It tastes amaz— tastes amazing. You're gonna sleep well tonight.

34:10 What about you, Nacho? Oh, Lisa the lesbian made me a beautiful margarita. She goes, I have Patron. And I said, you have my heart. What about you, G? I'm having, uh, my take on an espresso martini. Okay. Fantastic. Because I needed— I should have drank espresso martinis while I was reading the book, 'cause maybe it would've kept me awake until chapter 35. Well, let me see if I can give your love back to this book, 'cause here's Here's my, when I said I have a theory about this. Do it. I feel like, and, and somebody's gotta check me on this and it could be a, a listener or me later on. I feel like Tamlin lied about that treaty. Like, I feel like he lied.

35:03 Tamlin is the name of the fucking beast that burst through the door later on in the book. We find out that Tamlin is cursed. Mm-hmm. And he has a set amount of time, which, do you know how he has like 49, 50 years? He has 50 years to break this curse. Mm-hmm. And part of breaking the curse, I, I suppose, is a plan he comes up with, which is he needs a human. who had hate in their heart when they killed a fairy. Yep. To fall in love with him. And I think he devises the plan of, well, shit, I'm in the, I'm in the fairy realm. How do I get a human here? And so he starts sending out his soldiers one by one into the human realm. So when he talks about this part of the treaty of like a life for a life, I think that's him lying. 'Cause he, he even says like, oh, humans always forget that part of the treaty.

36:10 So my theory is, yo, this guy's been lying from day one. Like he's like, oh, whoops. Just so happens there was this treaty. Like, and now you have to come here with me, human, with hate in her heart. Yeah. This treaty that was created 500 years ago or whatever. And now I'm just gonna use to my Soul advantage. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Feshy, feshy like a motherfucker. Yeah. So this character's name is Tamlin. Feyre goes, she, she chooses to live the rest of her life in his world versus die. My heart broke for her when she's leaving and she's trying to tell her sisters all of what they need to know because Feyre has been the provider and all this shit. And she's like, oh, you only have food that's gonna last you till this and do that. And like, she's just trying to give them everything. And like that minute of her leaving and it broke my heart. Like I was like, she also tries to tell Nesta, like, cuz Nesta at one point is like, I'm in talks, I'm gonna marry this guy.

37:09 And she's like, Nesta, this guy's an asshole. The dad of this guy beats the mom. Like, don't go. Don't do it. They don't, right? They're not good people. And she's just, Nesta's like, fuck you, dude. Yeah, it broke my heart. She's trying to tell them everything in like, in this minute and hoping that they listen and they, they absorb what she's saying. Um, and before they leave, we end up finding out that Tamlin quote unquote glamours her family so that they forget that he burst through the door and like destroyed their dilapidated cottage. Right. And makes them believe that Feyre is not at the fairy realm, but instead taking care of a sick aunt.

37:50 So what a mess. Yeah. They end up leaving. Fuck Tamlin. Um, I'm sorry, I just had to get that outta the way. Get it, do it, dude. This is, this is the— yes. Yeah. Say it out loud. Say it strong. Before we dive into like the fairy side of this, do you guys have any last thoughts on the human realm? For me, I thought it Okay, as fucked up as this sounds, it sounded to me like it was a fresh start for Feyre. Yeah. Right? Because now she's— she doesn't have these people dependent upon her, and like, her butchiness comes— is starting to come out. But she also has that, like I said, a very slight, soft feminine side to her, but it's like, Super slight.

38:40 But for me, I, I saw it as freedom for her, even though she had made this promise to her mom. I love that. And that's like her last way of, of protecting them. The last time she's able to do it directly. Genius. Yeah. One last fuck Tamlin. Is that— Just one last fuck Tamlin? Ugh, no. Probably 100,000 more, but— Come on! I'm just kidding. They, they get on his horse and they start making the trip across the wall, right? Like it's a long journey. I forget how many days or whatever. And at first it's silent and quiet. And then she starts to try to figure her way out of this. Like there's gotta be a loophole. What do I know about this guy? Starts to ask him questions and instead of like just answering her, he fucking like knocks her out. Yeah, he knocks that bitch out. Mm-hmm. She don't wake up until she's in his land.

39:33 Days later. Fuck. That guy in the house. Yep. Yeah. Let's take away more choice. Took her, knocks her out, brings her over. Now she's, she's sort of waking up in this land. Um, and