A Court of Thorns and Roses by Sarah J. Maas, The Butch Huntress Gets Bit, Bewitched, and Betrayed, Pt 2

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Hey listeners, you're about to hear part 2 of our coverage of A Court of

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Thorns and Roses. The romance is blooming, but so is the

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danger. Feyre's heart is being tested, secrets are

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unraveling, and every choice she makes pulls her closer to a battle

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she never asked to fight. Let's head back to the Prythian

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and see just how much she is willing to sacrifice.

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You know, I think as it's being described, so

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he's the, we find out he's the High Lord of the Spring Court.

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And when I heard how this was described of like flowers and

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greenery and hills and like, just, it's spring, it's beautiful, it's gorgeous, it's

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wonderful. Mm-hmm. I thought of Elaine. Like, I was like, oh yeah, this is

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like that. This would be her vibe. Oh God.

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Found that a little interesting. Um, oh no.

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Oh no. Oh, what, what

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did I just trigger in you? No.

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Every time I hear a theory that's even remotely plausible about everything,

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I'm just like, oh, I have so many theories on Tamlin. Goddamn it. We're gonna,

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we, I'm, that gorgeous brain is just gonna let it all

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out. But yeah, Spring Court sounded

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like Nesta's vibe. Like she would've been— Elaine. Sorry.

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Elaine's vibe. Under the Mountain is Nesta's vibe.

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Um, it was her vibe. Ah, so much of it is her

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vibe. But she's there, she's starting

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to figure out who's this, this person. The monster now transforms

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into his fairy self, who is

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like this handsome, gorgeous guy, uh, with like

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blonde hair, I think. Doesn't matter. But he's wearing a mask, like a gold

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mask over his face. Mm-hmm. And she, I think, originally thinks like, oh, he's

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just trying to keep some sort of like anonymity of like who he is. Like

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she doesn't understand, or she's like, oh, maybe it's like a fashion choice.

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Fucking hilarious. But like, she doesn't know

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that that mask is part of this curse that he has.

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Um, he can't take it off, which is fucking super funny, honestly.

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It's like a beautiful, gorgeous, intricate mask part of it. Anyways, um,

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we, we start to see him. I think he

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Is still pretty much a dick and an asshole for a while.

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Uh, eventually he softens up, I guess, as much as an

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asshole could soften up. Um, but we meet the other character,

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Lucien. I love Lucien.

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So both of you have been telling me

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like, fuck Tamlin, fuck Tamlin, fuck Tamlin. It took me

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a while to get to that fuck Tamlin part.

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Because I did see how he was trying to take her under

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his wing. And even though he was an asshole about it,

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almost kind of like a little narcissistic about it,

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he was— Skittles has broken!

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He— it would— it's like I said, it took me a

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while to figure out that he was a dick. But, um,

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like, I just liked how he matched her,

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like Butch energy. Does that make sense?

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Okay. How so?

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This is why, this is why, G, because, because we've

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read the books and, and this is not as bad as

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it gets for him. Okay. So it's

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important for you to say what you think, knowing what you know.

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So to me, he's more of a fighter than a lover. Right.

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He is all about being a badass

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and being like, I'm the ruler of this

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land and my shit don't stink. And

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like, for the longest time, I swear to God, I thought

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Lucien and Tamlin were like, like

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together. Same, right? And who's to say that they're not? We don't know for

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sure that they're not. It wasn't written in the book and it made me really

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sad. And I'm gonna tell you who's gonna be the top and who's gonna be

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the bottom in that relationship. Lucien is definitely

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on the receiving end of Tamlin. Oh yeah,

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with pleasure. With pleasure. With pleasure.

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Like little pointy ears and everything. He's like back there just grabbing onto his

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ears and be like, ride him, cowboy. Okay,

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I'm sorry, I broke Nacho. That, that's how

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I like read into the book. I was like, okay. maybe, maybe

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this is how this plays out. But of course it doesn't, because, you know, fantasy

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is never fucking reality. But, um, my

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whole take on Tamlin is, yes, fighter,

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not a lover, kind of a narcissist.

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Lucien was kind of a pussy, didn't really stand up for her,

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kind of like, you know,

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towards the end of the book he starts to stand up for

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her, but that's how I see it. I

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also thought Lucien and Tamlin were lovers. So

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Lucien is what we learned to basically

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be Tamlin's bestie. Yeah. They're best friends. They

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are, um, Lucien's his like mercenary.

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So he's— He's literally, as far as Feyre knows, the only

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other person besides Alis, right? It's Alis,

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right? Yep. Mm-hmm. Um, the only other person In the,

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in the whole world. Yeah. Castle. Yeah. Or

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whatever mansion, whatever with him.

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Yeah. That's, that's a good point. 'Cause she gets there and there's like nobody, there's

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beautiful lands, but it's, it's Tamlin, Lucien, and Alice. Alice is the

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housekeeper. What do we call her? Yeah. House person. House

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person. She takes care of Feyre while she's there. She like

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helps. That's very non-binary of you, G.

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Um, I love Alis. I love Alis. She's, she's

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the MVP of the story, really. Here we go. There

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we go. We're breaking her good now. I'm

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gonna wet my pants. I told you, pull out the punny pad.

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But I, I do have to say that I think that Feyre

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was able to bring out her butch

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side and her femme side a little bit more once she

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moved in with like Tamlin and Lucien. And I—

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one of the things that did make me happy is like when she went to

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that first breakfast and that first meal, that was more food than she'd

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ever seen in her entire life, right? Yeah. And so

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something that would like soothe her soul, but she missed her

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family and she's in this like crazy realm

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And they all have masks on, so she can't see their true

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faces. She can only see like their lips and their

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ears and their, their hands and eye color.

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Eye color. So for me, I, I would be a little fucking

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weirded out. Yeah. And she also has all these like preconceived notions of

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fairies. So she like sees the food and she's starving. And to your point, it's

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like an abundance, but she's believing that if she

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eats their food, that they'll like drug her. So she's

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afraid to sort of be that free to have those

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types of, to even just eat. Yeah. Yeah. So it

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takes her a while. And then she also believes, ooh, fuck Tamlin.

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She also believes that fairies can't lie. So

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Tamlin— We're gonna go through this episode and I'm gonna have a counter.

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Yeah. And I can't wait. Yeah. I can't wait. Let's have a

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counter. Don't, Don't hide 'em. Let 'em go.

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But the problem is, we're gonna side quest back to the tailman thing cuz somebody

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in my life has a very, very interesting perspective. Okay. And

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I do wanna voice it for any listener who might be in that same belief.

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But, um, she also believes fairies can't lie. And so he tells

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her the food is safe, you can eat here. So she has to trust that

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this guy can't lie. They can, they can lie. And I'm not saying

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the food was drugged, but like they for sure can lie. Um,

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the side quest is somebody in my life. I think any listener

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or reader, you either love Tamlin or you hate Tamlin.

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I don't see how you love— okay, well, if you've read more than one book,

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I don't see how you like Tamlin, but okay. Um, but the world is divided

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and this person in my life who I love and respect

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loves Tamlin and I'm like, what? Like, what the fuck?

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Wait, like, like they've read more than one book? Yeah, they've read 'em all.

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And I'm like, how do you love Tamlin? And their

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theory, or I guess how they see it, is that

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from their generation,

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this is got the kind of guy you would have. And in my opinion,

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yeah, Tamlin, the reason part of like the core of why I hate this

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motherfucker is because he wants

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Feyre to fit a role. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He doesn't

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believe that, I would argue any woman could

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be of high ranking, uh, could be a protector, could

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be a provider. And that's all Farrah has ever been is like a protector,

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provider, a hunter. Like she's out there and he doesn't

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believe that that is the role of a woman. And to

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the point where, oh, he is stifling her to just

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fit what he needs her to be. And so

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that's why I hate this guy. But this person in my life feels like

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in their generation, that was the role of a woman, was

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to be at home. Yeah. Dress in the dresses, host

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the parties. Yeah.

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You know what? So the, the person you're thinking about, I,

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I, I grew up in that same generation, maybe a few years later.

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But that's not how I saw my

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role as a woman, to be a provider.

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And it could be because of how I was raised, right? Like I was raised

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to— I think that has a lot to do with it. A strong, independent

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woman that can fend for

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myself and take care of myself. And

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I think when you're reading the book, it's all on how you were raised.

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Of how you would view Tamlin, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. I

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think that if you were, 'cause I

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see how this could feed into some of the people in my

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life and they would feel the same way, maybe. Like

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if it was, God rest her soul, my

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grandmother, and we didn't have that like little spot, she probably

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would've loved it. She probably would've loved it. Oh, Tamlin's taking

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care of her. Tamlin's being so sweet. Tamlin's doing the right providing.

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And, and he's, you know, gentle with her, but

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he's also vicious when it comes to time to, to, you know,

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protect what's theirs. And he wants her to be, you know,

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so absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. I

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can see why I could see why there are

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people out there that might vibe with that whole reality.

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I love a good, like, Strong protector moment,

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but also you have to be able to like

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let people live their life. Yes.

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Yeah. And I, and then like, it pains me cuz like

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it goes, it goes so against everything that I am.

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Mm-hmm. So to hear that perspective, like, I know it

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logically, I could understand it, but like The core and

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essence of my being is like, no.

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The part of you that wasn't raised in a way

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that keeps you

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mindful of the idea that men are

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the end-all and be-all. Yeah.

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And are only allowed to be a certain way. And I think

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that puts it in a nutshell, like how Tamlin is with Feyre

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is he is— I don't think he's intending, I don't think he's

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like intending to do the things

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at the beginning. I don't think he's intentionally trying to be like

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a controlling, manipulative asshole. I think

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he's actually trying to do what he thinks is the right thing to do.

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And the more that Feyre grows. And the more that she

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pushes back on that, the more he tries to

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push further into the ideal

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that he wants to achieve. And so then he starts

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using and going further and

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going harder into what he wants and what he needs.

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And then that's where they lose each other because

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he's only concerned with what he needs. and what he wants, and he

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stops listening to her. But that's like, that's like

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another book. That's not this book. Well, and this could be

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100% my bias. I don't think he ever—

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okay, hold on. I think he always wanted what he needed. I

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don't think he ever really thought about her in what she

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needs. I think, and again, I hate this

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motherfucker, but I feel like he, it was a gift

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to be with him. And that's all he believes. Any female with

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me, you're welcome. Like, I am the

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High Lord of the Spring Court. I need you,

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Feyre, to break this curse.

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But I don't think it went farther than that. I think—

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Nope. I think he always just,

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okay. This is so hard to articulate cuz I think, um,

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his protective nature for her where he's like, no,

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don't come with me. So he like goes and he like, uh, fights

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some of the evil, like monstrous characters that come onto his

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land and he wants her to stay back for her protection.

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You know, you're a human. This is really dangerous. Even though I'm

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a human that killed a, a fairy with one ash

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arrow. But you know, whatever. Right, right. But in the beginning it's like, oh, this

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is nothing compared to the the wolf fairy you killed. Like, no, you need to

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stay back. I'm protecting you. He's like making

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her believe, I'm protecting you. I need you to stay here. But in my

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mind, I'm like, he needed her to be safe because he needs her to break

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his curse. So he's not willing to risk anything

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to take that away. I think towards—

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and I think he kind of like conditions her to sort of feel like he

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is my protector. He wants the best for me. What a great high lord. Like,

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he is just the cat's pajamas. Like, he's

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amazing. He's handsome. He's protecting me. Look at— he's giving me all

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this food, this beautiful house. I'm not a prisoner. I can walk his grounds.

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Don't go past the fucking gates, but I can go anywhere else. I'm not a

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prisoner. Look at me. Yeah. But then you vibe with that whole,

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like, the same idea and okay. Okay. Okay. But then you have

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the holiday. And he's all like, oh, this is just a thing that I

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have to do. Ugh. I just have to go have sex. This is just

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a thing I have to go do. Fuck this guy. And I'm like,

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he kind of loses me there because at first I was like, uh,

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all right. It's like a, like a Beauty and the Beast kind of a thing.

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Oh. And he's just an asshole. And you know, we

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have a side quest on that too, but oh, good. Let's bring it. Let's do

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it. So like, that's why I was trying, cuz I was like, I was trying

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to get into it cuz one of my other book besties,

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uh, for life is like, you have to read this.

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And so I was trying really hard just to like

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get through. I was trudging along. So I was like, okay, maybe, maybe it's like

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a Beauty and the Beast thing cuz I have to like have expectations in a

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book to be like, keep going. Right? Yeah.

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What were you gonna say, G? Yeah, same, same thing. I, you know, I

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read it as like Beauty and the Beast, but like a fucked up version of

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Beauty and the Beast. Yeah, I thought we were going like

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Anne Rice, right? Like super, super fucked

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up. But like the whole, like

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the sequences of like her

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like finding her own way on this land, right?

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Lucien telling her to go And capture this,

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this screaming— Serial. Mimi, whatever the fuck we want to call it, and

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trying to get, trying to get like the truth out of that. And then

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how she was gonna try and sneak back in and go and see her father

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and sister, and like creepy fucking shit was coming out. And

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like, but didn't he, didn't they glamour, didn't they

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glamour her also? So like she couldn't see the

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other— Anybody else. Anybody else. She only saw those, like, how

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fucking fucked up is that? Yeah. So yeah, he glamours her. So

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she only believes all that is there, like Nacho said,

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is Tamlin, Lucien, and Alis, that there is

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nobody else on this land. Fast forward to like when the

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book started to get really interesting, she,

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she starts to see that there are other people there. They have

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always been there. He just hid them from her. Why do you think that

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is? I, I

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think it's because they, they wanted to, they didn't

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want her to,

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they wanted to make her still feel like she was held, being held captive.

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Right. And that she didn't have any choices.

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I, I don't know. No, I don't think

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so. No, I don't think so. Yeah. I don't think he wanted her to talk

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to anybody else. I, 'cause that's what I, that's what this was, uh, under the

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thumb, man. Under the thumb. Yeah. You're not like, you don't see them, they don't

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exist. You are the only thing. Because he really fucking loses me at Cal and

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Mai. Okay. So let's get to Cal and Mai. Cal and Mai

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is this weird fucking— Oh, oh, this

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is so fucked up. It's so fucked up. So you remember how I called Sean

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the granola eating motherfucker in Ravenhood? Yeah. So as

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I was like reviewing this book, I was like,

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Tamlin is the fiddle-playing motherfucker because in

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Kalanmai, he's just like, here's how I imagine it in my

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brain, right? You got this, he's like a Fabio-looking kind of character,

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right? Like tall, broad, muscular, ripped,

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long flowing locks, a gold mask, sweat

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bleeding off his skin, and he's just playing the fucking fiddle. Yes.

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Yeah. Like, like Devil Goes Down to Georgia. Yeah. Around a fire. He's just,

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fuck this guy anyways. But

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Calamite, to, to what Nacho was getting towards earlier,

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is like beforehand, I don't remember if it was him or Lucien that tells her

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like, hey, heads up, we're about to have this bomb-ass party

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outside and you may hear music and see lights and there's gonna be food and

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people, but like, you need to stay here. Yeah. You can't come out. Like,

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what the fuck? It's for your safety. Stay inside.

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Um, also, if you don't stay inside, Tamlin becomes

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a raging horny motherfucker and he needs to have sex with

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somebody tonight. And if he smells you and can get to you,

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he's gonna fuck you in a way that you're not gonna like. So stay inside.

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That immediately would've just perked up my ears and been like,

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mm, okay.

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Oops. Oops. Here I am. Hi. My bad. Hi,

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I'm here. Yeah.

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So, uh, spoiler alert, she doesn't stay inside. Uh,

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she, she makes her way there and she like gets stopped by these

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3 Brutuses. Yeah. 'Cause Calamite, she like

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goes to get food outta the kitchen 'cause she's so hungry. 'Cause FYI, all the

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food's at the party. And she's left in the house with no food. 'Cause Cal

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and Maia is just for spring court. It's like,

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um, he has to have sex with somebody so like their crops

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survive or something. Yeah. Okay. So she goes outside,

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she sees faeries lined up. Tamlin apparently has his

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pick of the, the litter. He's gonna fuck somebody tonight.

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Um, as she's out there. A bunch of fairy

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males, I guess, sniff her out and they're like, ooh, human, go

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fuck this girl. And she's like, oh no,

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what am I gonna do? Nobody's here to protect me, my Tamlin. And

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instead she meets a character called

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Rhysand, and his first words to Feyre

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are, there you are. I've been looking for you.

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Uh, foreshadowing. Foreshadowing. And she's

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like, whoa, who's that? Remember that

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this guy is the sexiest fucking guy I've ever

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seen in my life. Complete opposite of

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Tamlin. He's not wearing a mask. He has dark hair. He has these beautiful

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blue slash violet eyes. He is tall,

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dark. It looks like there's shadows caressing him. He just appears outta nowhere.

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And the fairy guys that are trying to fuck Feyre are

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like, whoa, we're getting outta here. This guy's, he's something. And

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they leave. He's scary. Yeah. He scares them

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away. And so I think she becomes wary of like, oh my God, who's this

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guy? And then he proceeds to be like, hey, why are you out here? You

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know, like, what, what you doing, girl? And she's like, oh no, I'm here with

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my friends. And he's like, well, they

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just left you alone here. Like, that sounds like not a good friend. Maybe you

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should stay out of trouble. Uh, then Lucien kind of

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comes. I think he like runs her back to the house and he's like, you

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gotta hide yourself, Tamlin's gonna smell you and fuck you.

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Yeah. Me and my Cliff Notes.

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Dude, your Cliff Notes are spann— handled.

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Mic drop. Uh, yeah.

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Tamlin finds her. I think it was after the party though. Like there was

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like remnants of this beast, but he's already fucked somebody else. So

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yeah, apparently he can only fuck one person one night.

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So she has to settle with him biting her neck

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and it's hot. You know? It, it is hot. It was like, I, I

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thought for sure at that, that point that they were gonna

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like do it. Yeah. But like, he was just,

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he was brutal. Okay. He, he reminds me of like a mean fucking

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drunk or an abusive husband. Mm-hmm. Like,

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you don't fucking do that shit. Okay. You, you just don't, you don't do it

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in real life and doing it in smutty books. I mean, it's

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okay, but fuck you. Like, fuck off. Yeah, it's okay in

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smutty books. Gee, it's okay in smutty books. We're okay. In smutty books. But like,

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I fucking— This is not your first bite. You will get more bites. And

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as a lesbian, like, if a woman did that to me, I'm gonna kick you

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in the pussy. Exactly. Okay? And I'm not gonna fucking think twice about it.

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Don't fucking edge G. She'll kick you right in the

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pussy. Don't fucking edge her. I will kick you in

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the cooter and not even think twice about it.

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I do not have time for this shit. If you're gonna bite my neck, you

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better be biting someplace else too. Like you said,

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Ellie, or don't even come over here. All in or get the fuck

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out. Like, bring your furry little paw and like give

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me some other action. Just don't bite my fucking neck because now I'm like

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bruised up and I'm horny as fuck. Thanks. I will

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say, all right, what I appreciated— Nacho is dead.

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Well, because Nacho— I don't know if it was the kick kicker in the pussy

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comment or cook the cooter. I don't know. Doesn't

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matter.

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Okay, okay, my face hurts. I love

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it. Gee, I don't think I— I love

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it. I love it.

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Okay, okay, go ahead. Uh,

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I was gonna say, I think the best part of the neck bite was, uh,

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Lucien's reaction to— reaction to it in the morning. He kind of

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gives them a hard time. He's like, oh, what happened to your neck?

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And Tamlin's like, oh, I bit her. And like, they kind of like fuck around

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back and forth on it. Uh, side note, I think

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Lucien's probably one of my favorite characters in book

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1, cuz he's like underrated, right? Like, Yeah. Lucien has like this

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fucking gnarly scar over his eye. He also has like a

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mechanical eye. It's not a, it's not like a normal eyeball, so

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you're kind of like, through book 1 are like, oh my God, what the fuck

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happened to him? Right? Like, where's his eye? Um,

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and Lucien's like this loyal friend to Tamlin, but he's also kind of an

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asshole. Like he enjoys fucking with Feyre.

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Um, he's like a, it was like a brother-sister relationship where he's just like

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nagging on her and like fucking doing mean shit, but it's funny.

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Um, so I like— I totally thought there was gonna

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be a 3-way here. Insert all the way.

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I thought, cuz you were talking about how you were Thinking that

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Lucien and, and Tamlin, I was like, oh,

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here we go, here we go. I wanted there to

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be— there's got to be fanfic out there. But like, how do you have sex

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with somebody's like metal eye that's still like fucking rolling around in their head? They're

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not having sex with the eye, dude. But you

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still gotta look at the face. No, you don't. You can close your

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eyes or roll over. Are we like On all

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fours? Am I facing the backboard? I just don't know. However you

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want it. Just, I mean,

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whatever. You just let your fupa cover it.

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It's fine.

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Just close your eyes, babe.

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Wait, your eye— what is that cold metal thing on my back? Did your eye

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just pop out? You just hear like

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he can't see shit. Not now.

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Look at me later. Like a booty. It's

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fallen and I can't get up. Okay.

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Oh my God.

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Oh, that's twice. Twice we've broken Nacho.

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Sorry, sorry, Dirty Skittles. I know you're trying to be serious, but we

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can't. No, I love this shit. I

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love it. I, the, but he's like one of my favorite

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characters and I, and I feel for him. Yeah. 'Cause especially in this book, he

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catches so many strays. Lucien gets fucked so

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many times in this book. Mm-hmm. Just trying to be a loyal friend to Tamlin.

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And I'm like, this poor fucking guy. He's like

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loyal to a fault and it makes him make shit choices

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because that's his best friend. That's his high lord. Like he, he. He's

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just loyal to his family. Oh yeah. 'Cause he owes, he owes, I mean,

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yeah, he, he says he owes Tamlin. Yeah.

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For all the things. And I, and we do find out

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in this book, some backstory to Lucien is that he

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is from the Autumn Court, which one of my favorite seasons.

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Um, he basically gets

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kicked out of his family. After they

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torture and kill the love of his life and make him watch,

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they make Lucien watch what they're doing. They off his

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love and kick him out of the court and Tamlin takes him in.

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Don't worry. I mean, they, they make him watch

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them brutally murder. Yeah.

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The love of his life. Yeah. And when he had both of his eyes.

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Fucking asshole. And then has a metal

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one like rolling around in his head. Yeah.

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No. I should have taken a gummy before this.

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Oh, oh, poor Lucian, you know. So like, he, he, he owes that to the

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camera. This is when he had both of his eyes. When he had both of

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his— Now in my brain is camera 1, camera 2,

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camera 1. Camera, camera work. Camera team. Um,

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so yeah, he, I love Lucien. Bless his heart.

450
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:34,746
He meant well. Oh no, not bless his heart.

451
00:29:37,646 --> 00:29:41,149
Speaking of hearts though. Oh no. Um,

452
00:29:41,985 --> 00:29:45,585
so we learned that about Lucien. We also learn a little bit of Tamlin's story

453
00:29:45,601 --> 00:29:49,307
and why he's such a fucking asshole, I guess. Uh, he, his

454
00:29:49,404 --> 00:29:53,025
dad and his brothers are all like brutal. Yeah. Um, killed a

455
00:29:53,025 --> 00:29:53,781
bunch of people,

456
00:29:57,207 --> 00:30:00,923
people that'll come back and are characters that anyways killed a

457
00:30:00,923 --> 00:30:04,679
bunch of people. Um, also I think they like would take like

458
00:30:04,679 --> 00:30:08,293
humans as slaves and treat them like shit too. So like, yeah, Tamlin

459
00:30:08,793 --> 00:30:11,520
sort of has this inner struggle. Like he doesn't wanna be like his dad or

460
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,975
his brothers, but he very much has an agenda.

461
00:30:15,705 --> 00:30:19,323
So in my opinion, His only— he

462
00:30:19,403 --> 00:30:23,252
goes the route of keeping her as a prisoner, as a slave, because that's

463
00:30:23,252 --> 00:30:26,231
kind of what he's seen his fathers and his brothers do. But he's trying to

464
00:30:26,231 --> 00:30:30,044
do it without like the mentality that she's doing. Yeah. He's trying to

465
00:30:30,044 --> 00:30:33,406
be not a, not as be as like assholes that his

466
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,932
family was. Yes.

467
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:39,236
And some of the people that they kill—

468
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:44,997
oh, is this in book 1? Yeah. Probably not.

469
00:30:47,898 --> 00:30:51,459
Probably not. Okay. Think about where we end. Do we

470
00:30:51,459 --> 00:30:54,270
know about it before? That's why I was like, uh,

471
00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:59,149
anyways, we, we can always reference back. He's made enemies. There we go.

472
00:30:59,539 --> 00:31:03,245
He's made enemies. Yeah. Um, because his family has

473
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,020
brutally murdered other families. Mm-hmm. So he has enemies.

474
00:31:07,231 --> 00:31:11,073
Um, Anyways, all of that to

475
00:31:11,073 --> 00:31:13,071
say that eventually at some point,

476
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:18,889
Lucien continues to fuck around with Feyre, but she's able to—

477
00:31:20,051 --> 00:31:23,057
he sends her off on a mission. Um, he teaches her how to

478
00:31:23,153 --> 00:31:26,126
snag a surreal, which is a creature. Mm-hmm.

479
00:31:27,379 --> 00:31:31,010
And she's a huntress. So her G.I. Jane comes back

480
00:31:31,075 --> 00:31:34,878
out and she fucking nails it. She, she snags this thing. Uh, the

481
00:31:34,878 --> 00:31:38,662
Suriel starts to tell her kind of her future, sort

482
00:31:38,662 --> 00:31:42,350
of. One of the lines it tells her, and I

483
00:31:42,398 --> 00:31:45,583
think this is important because it makes her become

484
00:31:46,908 --> 00:31:50,641
that role Tamlin wants, is that this creature tells her that you have to

485
00:31:50,641 --> 00:31:53,847
stay with the High Lord. Stay with the High Lord. And so

486
00:31:54,431 --> 00:31:57,998
that's like, in Feyre's mind, oh, Tamlin, he'll

487
00:31:58,014 --> 00:32:01,264
protect me. I have to stay with him. And so she begins to sort of

488
00:32:01,297 --> 00:32:05,048
fit into that role that Tamlin needs and wants her to be in.

489
00:32:05,807 --> 00:32:09,510
And they start to develop feelings for one another, sort of. I say

490
00:32:09,510 --> 00:32:13,238
sort of, cuz I question whether or not Tamlin ever really felt anything for

491
00:32:13,238 --> 00:32:16,708
her because he has a

492
00:32:16,708 --> 00:32:20,071
heart of stone. Yes, he does. So how do you,

493
00:32:21,157 --> 00:32:24,545
how do you love someone when you have a heart of stone?

494
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,040
Is it always mental? 'Cause that's what I went through. So I'm curious. How is

495
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,660
he getting an erection if he's got a heart of stone?

496
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,880
'Cause I don't think you gotta feel with your heart to get hard

497
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,920
for— Do you know what I mean? No, but you have to have blood pumping,

498
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,680
right? That is the science of the— Okay. You know

499
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,200
what? It's all right. It's like, it's like, it's like Lisa the

500
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,040
lesbian and like how she like fucks up every Hollywood movie I

501
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,697
watch. Like, how do they do that? I'm like, it's the fucking movies, okay?

502
00:32:56,276 --> 00:32:59,905
So this is a book. Wait, did I fuck it up or did Nacho fuck

503
00:33:00,050 --> 00:33:03,262
it up? Nacho's fucking this up. Nacho fucked it up.

504
00:33:03,744 --> 00:33:07,245
It's a, it's a book. So like, maybe because

505
00:33:07,823 --> 00:33:10,779
they're— it's half man, half animal,

506
00:33:11,855 --> 00:33:15,292
maybe they're— I mean, it's a different way. Maybe, I don't know, maybe we get

507
00:33:15,292 --> 00:33:18,793
an erection by like just thinking about it. I know many men that

508
00:33:19,082 --> 00:33:22,907
An erection just fucking thinking about it. You know, like they don't

509
00:33:22,907 --> 00:33:26,587
even have to touch that shit. That's my theory. My

510
00:33:26,636 --> 00:33:29,946
wild fucking theory as Dirty Skittles is that this

511
00:33:30,252 --> 00:33:34,077
fucking piece of shit guy never loved her because he couldn't. He could

512
00:33:34,109 --> 00:33:37,521
never fucking love her. He always wanted her for a

513
00:33:37,569 --> 00:33:41,086
purpose. And maybe he was in love with the idea of her,

514
00:33:41,783 --> 00:33:45,367
but never really her. Yeah. Damn. And, and

515
00:33:45,769 --> 00:33:49,542
to the opposite, Feyre sees him as he saved her

516
00:33:49,542 --> 00:33:53,187
from the life she had. So yeah, he's protecting her.

517
00:33:53,331 --> 00:33:56,944
She's now being reaffirmed to stay with the High Lord. So she just

518
00:33:56,944 --> 00:34:00,284
falls into that role. And that's when, like, she kind of

519
00:34:00,460 --> 00:34:03,495
opens up the possibility of sort of flirting and letting this

520
00:34:04,153 --> 00:34:07,268
kind of progress because that's what I should be doing now. And

521
00:34:08,184 --> 00:34:11,946
they eventually— Dude, to be quite honest, I don't even

522
00:34:11,946 --> 00:34:15,620
remember the first time they had sex cuz I hated it so much because it

523
00:34:15,652 --> 00:34:19,020
was so like sweet and

524
00:34:19,438 --> 00:34:22,656
yeah, with a character I hated, I couldn't get past it. So do you remember?

525
00:34:22,833 --> 00:34:26,457
Yeah, it was very, very vanilla and very like

526
00:34:28,723 --> 00:34:29,710
what I imagined

527
00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:33,287
sex

528
00:34:33,417 --> 00:34:37,138
would look like with somebody from that. With a lion.

529
00:34:37,489 --> 00:34:41,133
Frame of mind. No, not sex with the lion, dude. Could you

530
00:34:41,133 --> 00:34:44,983
imagine? Oh, they bite on you, don't they? On

531
00:34:45,016 --> 00:34:48,612
the back. Well, you know, or just sex with a

532
00:34:48,612 --> 00:34:50,546
cat. You know, they're nice rough tongues.

533
00:34:56,589 --> 00:35:00,325
Hey, I wish I was purring for sure. Everybody wants

534
00:35:00,406 --> 00:35:03,479
a rough tongue every now and then. But I, you know, I do see your

535
00:35:03,495 --> 00:35:06,906
point where She, she

536
00:35:06,906 --> 00:35:10,718
saw him as a savior, right? But I also kind of like looked at it

537
00:35:10,766 --> 00:35:14,564
from, from my lens as like, you know, there's

538
00:35:14,564 --> 00:35:18,154
certain points in times in my life where like I just needed

539
00:35:18,154 --> 00:35:21,305
somebody to sweep me up and like fucking take care of me because apparently I

540
00:35:21,467 --> 00:35:25,051
can't take very good care of myself. Hmm. But at the same time, there's a

541
00:35:25,164 --> 00:35:28,836
price to pay for that, right? Yeah. Getting locked away in this motherfucking house

542
00:35:29,674 --> 00:35:33,164
and like 2 crazy dudes with masks on it. on them.

543
00:35:34,031 --> 00:35:37,421
And— Usually that's a great start to a

544
00:35:37,485 --> 00:35:41,261
book. And not being able to leave the

545
00:35:41,341 --> 00:35:44,907
lands, but like you have Lucien telling her, like sending her all these

546
00:35:45,052 --> 00:35:48,779
fucked up quests and, you know, kind of hoping that she doesn't die,

547
00:35:49,213 --> 00:35:52,795
but like kind of in the back of his head, he's like, I don't

548
00:35:52,844 --> 00:35:56,266
know if she's gonna survive this. And then you have Tamlin who's very

549
00:35:56,362 --> 00:36:00,169
possessive, right? And it's like, you can't do this. You blah,

550
00:36:00,233 --> 00:36:03,906
blah, blah. Fuck you, dude. Listen. Yeah. I'm gonna do what I

551
00:36:03,922 --> 00:36:07,066
wanna do when I wanna fucking do it. Bring me some motherfucking

552
00:36:07,114 --> 00:36:10,499
food and quit being a dick. It, he was like a,

553
00:36:11,847 --> 00:36:15,392
remember the animal in Dr. Dolittle, the push me, pull me?

554
00:36:15,937 --> 00:36:18,680
He reminded me a lot of like push me, pull me. Hmm.

555
00:36:19,562 --> 00:36:23,188
Yeah. I just hated him off the jump. I don't know. I did.

556
00:36:23,396 --> 00:36:26,556
I did. And it, and it, it got worse as the series went on.

557
00:36:27,267 --> 00:36:30,873
Um, yeah, but yeah, it's an interesting

558
00:36:30,905 --> 00:36:34,399
dynamic. They, they eventually start to have feelings for one another. They have sex at

559
00:36:34,448 --> 00:36:38,135
some point. I, I'll be honest, listeners, I, I don't remember the sex. I

560
00:36:38,135 --> 00:36:41,693
just remember it was very vanilla to Nacho's point. Um, like

561
00:36:41,693 --> 00:36:45,380
kissing and touching. And I hated, uh, if you've listened to the

562
00:36:45,380 --> 00:36:48,951
audio version, I hated the way the, the audio actor like says her

563
00:36:48,951 --> 00:36:52,762
name during sex and how like that just like lights her up. I fucking hated

564
00:36:52,795 --> 00:36:56,499
it all. It was just, yeah, he's like, oh, Sarah. Sarah.

565
00:36:56,629 --> 00:37:00,446
Sarah. Yeah, it's like, ugh,

566
00:37:01,029 --> 00:37:03,740
gross. Yeah,

567
00:37:04,452 --> 00:37:08,251
gross. Okay. Sorry, I'm bad. No, no,

568
00:37:08,413 --> 00:37:12,050
it just, it wasn't my vibe, bro. Like it just wasn't,

569
00:37:12,616 --> 00:37:15,803
it wasn't my fucking vibe at all. Um,

570
00:37:17,615 --> 00:37:21,094
and I think the other thing, like kind of as, as we get to what

571
00:37:21,094 --> 00:37:24,815
I think is the good part is the whole time Feyre

572
00:37:25,296 --> 00:37:28,854
is learning that there is a sickness in the

573
00:37:28,854 --> 00:37:32,156
lands. Yeah. And so Tamlin has to protect

574
00:37:32,429 --> 00:37:36,180
his Spring Court, uh, from this sickness entering in.

575
00:37:36,276 --> 00:37:40,123
And, you know, at times there are these intruders in the land. And

576
00:37:40,283 --> 00:37:42,752
one of the times that she kind of sees it

577
00:37:43,890 --> 00:37:47,240
is when these heads of fairies

578
00:37:48,474 --> 00:37:52,081
are put on spikes. And I think at like the entrance of the Spring Court.

579
00:37:52,554 --> 00:37:56,100
Yes. And it's revealed then, well, it's

580
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:59,602
revealed a little later on that the person responsible for putting those faeries'

581
00:37:59,699 --> 00:38:02,104
heads on spikes is Rhysand,

582
00:38:03,669 --> 00:38:07,073
the mysterious dark figure she meets during Fire Night.

583
00:38:08,670 --> 00:38:12,493
And that's when we start to see that Rhysand and Tamlin hate each other. There

584
00:38:12,525 --> 00:38:16,268
is a deep hate. But okay. She doesn't know his name,

585
00:38:17,158 --> 00:38:20,754
but she recognizes the face. He

586
00:38:20,754 --> 00:38:24,362
comes back to the Spring Court

587
00:38:24,763 --> 00:38:28,483
to check up on Tamlin and Tamlin, Lucien, and Feyre

588
00:38:28,531 --> 00:38:32,187
are eating and, ah, bless Lucien.

589
00:38:32,524 --> 00:38:36,292
Love him. Stands in front of Feyre, kind of pushes her against the

590
00:38:36,308 --> 00:38:39,916
wall, but he's standing in front of her. Tamlin glamours her so she's

591
00:38:39,916 --> 00:38:43,604
invisible. Oh yeah. Rhysand comes into the

592
00:38:43,604 --> 00:38:46,266
dining room. That's when we kind of find out that he's the one that put

593
00:38:46,266 --> 00:38:49,942
the fairy heads out front and, uh,

594
00:38:50,327 --> 00:38:53,410
Rhysand's an asshole, so naturally I love him. Um,

595
00:38:54,197 --> 00:38:58,034
cuz he's just like, oh, you didn't like my gift? Thought it was— thought you'd

596
00:38:58,034 --> 00:39:01,326
love it. It's like deadheads on sticks.

597
00:39:01,727 --> 00:39:04,922
Um, when I first imagined

598
00:39:05,757 --> 00:39:09,531
Rhysand in my head, what came up was the

599
00:39:09,531 --> 00:39:13,235
licorice guy from Candyland. I'm gonna

600
00:39:13,317 --> 00:39:17,064
Google this. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

601
00:39:19,134 --> 00:39:21,801
I don't know why, but that's the,

602
00:39:23,054 --> 00:39:25,054
that's the imagery that came into my brain.

603
00:39:27,051 --> 00:39:29,942
That would've ruined the book for me, Nacho, if I pictured

604
00:39:30,232 --> 00:39:33,801
disgusting. I read this after Fourth Wing, so I saw Xaden.

605
00:39:35,048 --> 00:39:37,843
That's who I pictured. I was like, oh, it's Xaden. Yeah, same here.

606
00:39:39,660 --> 00:39:42,560
Mm-hmm. Um, and again, I'm a sucker for dark hair, light eyes. So I was

607
00:39:42,592 --> 00:39:46,298
like, yep, sign me up. Uh, true. Uh, but yeah, he comes

608
00:39:46,298 --> 00:39:49,501
into the dining room, they glamor Feyre, they're hiding her. He's,

609
00:39:50,561 --> 00:39:54,402
I don't remember if he's just there to check in on Tamlin or, or he's

610
00:39:54,402 --> 00:39:58,185
there to say, like, I don't remember the purpose,

611
00:39:58,266 --> 00:40:01,803
but we, we find out that there's another player in place here

612
00:40:02,113 --> 00:40:05,934
that wants Tamlin. To basically bow down and, and

613
00:40:05,966 --> 00:40:09,637
come, like they're coming to get Tamlin essentially. And

614
00:40:09,717 --> 00:40:13,372
Rhysand is the collector. And while they're there, Rhysand's about

615
00:40:13,484 --> 00:40:17,107
to leave and notices, oh wait, there's 3 place settings on this table,

616
00:40:17,652 --> 00:40:20,826
but there's only 2 people here. So he asks and Lucien

617
00:40:21,916 --> 00:40:25,683
takes another stray. He's like, that's— they've

618
00:40:25,683 --> 00:40:29,434
already left. Rhysand figures out— Look at G.

619
00:40:29,530 --> 00:40:33,024
Go ahead, G. So Rhysand can

620
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,805
also like read, read memories and read minds. Yeah. And

621
00:40:36,902 --> 00:40:40,667
so he knew, even though she was glamoured, he

622
00:40:40,667 --> 00:40:44,417
knew she was in there. And so he's like already in her mind.

623
00:40:45,699 --> 00:40:49,144
He, he gets pissed cuz he's like, you fucking glamoured me,

624
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,510
dude. He's like, fuck you. And then he can see Feyre.

625
00:40:53,311 --> 00:40:56,966
Yeah. And he is like, oh, he recognizes her. Uh-huh.

626
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,012
Um, Lucien goes, that's my betrothed. He's like, that's my woman, back

627
00:41:01,092 --> 00:41:04,850
up. Right. And to, to protect Feyre, but really

628
00:41:04,962 --> 00:41:08,799
to protect Tamlin because Tamlin needs Feyre. So no, this

629
00:41:08,799 --> 00:41:12,557
is my girl. Like, don't even pay her any mind. And Rhysand can

630
00:41:12,669 --> 00:41:15,527
go into Feyre's mind cuz that's one of his powers.

631
00:41:16,346 --> 00:41:19,943
Um, and I think he's like hurting,

632
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,942
not hurting her, but like She's frozen still. It fucks

633
00:41:24,151 --> 00:41:27,750
Tamlin up cuz he doesn't want her to be hurt, hurt. And

634
00:41:27,766 --> 00:41:31,301
immediately he's a bitch, right? What does he fucking do? Just

635
00:41:31,301 --> 00:41:34,981
like, just like everybody else in Feyre's life. He like

636
00:41:34,981 --> 00:41:38,420
drops, like Rhysand's like, get on your knees then. Cuz he's like, please don't tell,

637
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,919
um, Amarantha that Feyre is here. Like, please, please, please.

638
00:41:43,353 --> 00:41:47,193
Rhysand's like, cool, beg, you know, beg for it. Immediately Tamlin's

639
00:41:47,193 --> 00:41:50,573
on his knees. begging Rhysand, please, please.

640
00:41:51,721 --> 00:41:55,212
And, um, Rhysand I think asks her at that

641
00:41:55,212 --> 00:41:58,728
point, what's your name? She gives some other

642
00:41:59,017 --> 00:42:02,183
person's name, Claire, some bullshit. I don't know. Yeah. Claire,

643
00:42:02,794 --> 00:42:06,265
her, the, the girl that ended up

644
00:42:06,265 --> 00:42:10,077
sleeping with, um, the guy that she was sleeping

645
00:42:10,109 --> 00:42:13,792
with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, it's Claire Better or

646
00:42:13,792 --> 00:42:17,120
whatever the fuck. And Ray-san's like, all right, works for

647
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,740
me. I think that's where— and, and that's

648
00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:24,380
where the book starts getting really fucked up, right? And like, I

649
00:42:24,380 --> 00:42:27,740
can't say that, that Emma, whatever, I just call her

650
00:42:27,740 --> 00:42:31,560
Amaretto. Amaretto. I love it. Because I can't even say it. May

651
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,260
she be ever known, forever known as

652
00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:37,880
Amaretto. Amaretto.

653
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,880
Oh. Because the more you have of her, the more fucked up you

654
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,258
get. Can I tell you my dad loves Amaretto? Oh, really?

655
00:42:47,158 --> 00:42:50,933
Yeah. Like the drink, not the character? Well, correct. Okay. I was like,

656
00:42:51,078 --> 00:42:54,371
oh, he likes her. Yeah. Yeah. My whole life,

657
00:42:54,692 --> 00:42:58,082
Amaretto. I, I like that little Amaretto di

658
00:42:58,098 --> 00:43:01,921
Serrano, the square. Yeah. I do like

659
00:43:01,921 --> 00:43:05,279
that too though. That is really good. It's so good. It's like, you know, that's

660
00:43:05,311 --> 00:43:08,572
like a treat. Jergens, that Jergens cherry

661
00:43:08,748 --> 00:43:12,058
almond, uh, lotion from like in the

662
00:43:12,283 --> 00:43:15,611
whatever. Uh, that's what it, I imagine

663
00:43:16,227 --> 00:43:20,023
it would taste like. It, it would taste like is amaretto. Can we

664
00:43:20,023 --> 00:43:23,630
give him a bottle of amaretto dressed up like Emma, Emma with a—

665
00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:27,462
Amarantha. Amarantha. Yeah. Can we make a little doll out of it

666
00:43:27,574 --> 00:43:31,163
for him? Yeah. We, you know what? I have enough felt to get this done.

667
00:43:33,909 --> 00:43:37,021
That is my favorite line I've ever heard you say. I have enough felt to

668
00:43:37,021 --> 00:43:39,627
get this done. I have enough felt to get this done. She held up a

669
00:43:39,627 --> 00:43:43,354
finger. She goes, uh-huh. I have enough felt to get this done. Huzzah! I

670
00:43:43,354 --> 00:43:47,202
have enough felt in a rainbow of

671
00:43:47,234 --> 00:43:50,919
colors. I love it. She gets this done. Can we make it a school project?

672
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,642
Yeah. Do we want to like just do it together or do you just want

673
00:43:54,642 --> 00:43:58,267
me to send you pictures? You can send me pictures while I'm fucking

674
00:43:58,380 --> 00:44:01,925
dying of laughter. I'm gonna make it look like the licorice,

675
00:44:03,274 --> 00:44:06,644
the licorice guy from Candyland, but with amaranth all over it. That

676
00:44:07,225 --> 00:44:11,058
would've ruined this. I couldn't. Yeah. That would've ruined

677
00:44:11,155 --> 00:44:13,974
it for me. Um, all right. To the liquor store I go.

678
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:20,122
I'll, I'll buy the amaretto. You, you, you supply the

679
00:44:20,122 --> 00:44:22,384
felt. Love it.

680
00:44:24,733 --> 00:44:28,423
Um, so yeah, Tamlin's a bitch. He's on his knees. He's begging like, please don't

681
00:44:28,423 --> 00:44:32,014
do this. Rhysand gets this name, Clare. He's like, sweet, good enough. I'm out.

682
00:44:32,531 --> 00:44:36,058
He leaves. Uh, fast forward, Tamlin is now full-on bitch mode.

683
00:44:36,753 --> 00:44:40,446
tells Feyre, you've gotta go. You

684
00:44:40,446 --> 00:44:43,978
can't be here. You're not safe anymore. I can't keep you safe anymore. You have

685
00:44:44,074 --> 00:44:47,849
to leave. Now, my question for you guys

686
00:44:47,946 --> 00:44:51,559
is, do you think in that moment he wants her to leave

687
00:44:51,753 --> 00:44:55,143
because he feels that, like, I can't keep you safe, you've really gotta go? Like,

688
00:44:55,224 --> 00:44:58,538
do you think he's doing that to protect her and take care of her?

689
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,256
I don't know. In his twisted little fucking mind, he is.

690
00:45:05,042 --> 00:45:07,983
Yeah, I think that he thinks he's doing the right thing. I think he's trying

691
00:45:08,015 --> 00:45:11,679
to save him, save himself, because having Feyre there is

692
00:45:11,791 --> 00:45:15,592
just putting a target on his back. So he's trying to protect himself.

693
00:45:15,721 --> 00:45:18,678
I don't think he really ever gave two shits about her,

694
00:45:20,287 --> 00:45:23,948
but it was like his little prize, and now it's time for him to

695
00:45:23,981 --> 00:45:25,610
send his little prize off.

696
00:45:27,778 --> 00:45:30,887
Okay. So. This, um,

697
00:45:31,481 --> 00:45:35,064
curse for the listeners, they're, they are

698
00:45:35,177 --> 00:45:37,442
days away from his deadline.

699
00:45:39,049 --> 00:45:42,282
You have 50 years or whatever the fuck it is. Hmm.

700
00:45:42,994 --> 00:45:45,875
And if you can't get a human to fall in love with you by this

701
00:45:45,923 --> 00:45:49,747
time, you are mine. Amaretto wants

702
00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:53,521
Tamlin. Amaretto. You belong to me. Days away

703
00:45:53,608 --> 00:45:57,224
from that happening, he tells Feyre, you gotta go. I

704
00:45:57,289 --> 00:45:59,359
can't keep you safe anymore. You've gotta go back home.

705
00:46:01,479 --> 00:46:05,151
Uh, they make love, bury Feyre in her neck. It's

706
00:46:05,151 --> 00:46:08,871
fucking gross. Um, and he tells her,

707
00:46:08,904 --> 00:46:12,734
I love you. My favorite part is she's like,

708
00:46:13,449 --> 00:46:16,455
uh, uh, great.

709
00:46:17,773 --> 00:46:21,418
Mm-hmm. She's like, oh, okay. Thanks.

710
00:46:21,985 --> 00:46:25,678
Yeah. And he says it again and again and again. She doesn't respond.

711
00:46:27,661 --> 00:46:31,238
Eventually they tire. Just told her that she had to leave to try to get

712
00:46:31,511 --> 00:46:35,169
it out of her. Yes. So that he could have— Fucking do. That's my

713
00:46:35,378 --> 00:46:38,570
theory. I was like, yo, damn, fuck you. You ain't trying to keep her safe.

714
00:46:38,667 --> 00:46:42,357
You're like, oh, distance makes the heart grow fonder. I'm gonna say, oh, I

715
00:46:42,357 --> 00:46:45,309
gotta protect you. You have to leave. You can't see me anymore. I don't know

716
00:46:45,325 --> 00:46:48,357
when you're gonna be able to see me again. Knowing all the well that if

717
00:46:48,357 --> 00:46:51,919
she was to leave and it all worked out fine, it's game over.

718
00:46:52,143 --> 00:46:54,999
It's game over for him. But he's like, no, you gotta go. I love you.

719
00:46:55,737 --> 00:46:59,171
And like waiting. She doesn't say it back. They eventually tire of having

720
00:46:59,203 --> 00:47:02,316
sex. The morning comes, she's gotta go.

721
00:47:03,055 --> 00:47:06,890
He's got her going down into the carriage again. Lucien

722
00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:10,388
at that point's like, what the fuck? You're so close. Why are you letting her

723
00:47:10,436 --> 00:47:14,175
leave? Lucien's like, just give her a couple more days. 'Cause Lucien

724
00:47:14,287 --> 00:47:17,304
knows she's so close to saying it back. Why would you say goodbye? And that's

725
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,139
the thing too, is like Lucien has been pushing and supporting

726
00:47:21,187 --> 00:47:24,736
and catering. to Tamlin to

727
00:47:24,736 --> 00:47:28,561
like encourage him to spend time with Feyre, to be kind

728
00:47:28,561 --> 00:47:32,080
to Feyre, to love on Feyre, to be sweet to Feyre.

729
00:47:32,658 --> 00:47:36,145
And Tamlin's just like a complete— Okay.

730
00:47:37,157 --> 00:47:40,516
You should compliment her. All right, let me do that. Yeah. You should go on

731
00:47:40,612 --> 00:47:43,440
a walk with her. All right, I guess I'll do that too. Like, yeah, 100%.

732
00:47:43,505 --> 00:47:46,670
100%. So she's in the carriage.

733
00:47:48,502 --> 00:47:51,055
Lucien's trying to get him to keep her for a couple more days cuz they're

734
00:47:51,071 --> 00:47:54,876
so close. Cuz if, if the curse breaks, mind you, they're all

735
00:47:55,005 --> 00:47:58,537
free. Everybody that belongs to the Spring Court is free from this

736
00:47:58,537 --> 00:48:01,716
curse. All they need is for her to fall in love with him. Is everybody

737
00:48:01,733 --> 00:48:05,217
everybody? Uh, maybe cuz,

738
00:48:05,506 --> 00:48:09,279
cuz Amaretto wouldn't go away. He

739
00:48:09,279 --> 00:48:12,876
would just be free. No, you're right. Spring Court. Hopefully we'll have listeners

740
00:48:13,052 --> 00:48:15,635
tell us. Hey, leave a comment.

741
00:48:16,677 --> 00:48:20,412
I'm just saying, like, how do we— yeah, I wanna, I wanna

742
00:48:20,428 --> 00:48:23,089
investigate how we can do that too, because I'm sure there will have lots of

743
00:48:23,089 --> 00:48:26,760
people to be like, y'all are fucking weird and gross. But also,

744
00:48:27,177 --> 00:48:28,940
I feel like there are going to be plenty of people that are gonna be

745
00:48:28,940 --> 00:48:32,467
like, you're wrong. Yeah, I want to hear what, like,

746
00:48:32,643 --> 00:48:36,378
our listeners have to say. But like, like, the

747
00:48:36,378 --> 00:48:39,889
whole Tamlin, Lucien, Rhysand

748
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:42,504
And Amaretto, um,

749
00:48:44,748 --> 00:48:47,348
dynamics are so fucked up in this book.

750
00:48:48,317 --> 00:48:51,555
So fucked up. Like, my Spidey sense,

751
00:48:53,053 --> 00:48:55,887
my, my Spidey sense is like, girl,

752
00:48:56,773 --> 00:48:59,519
the boy don't fucking love you, okay? Like,

753
00:49:00,410 --> 00:49:04,087
go do your own thing. Go find something

754
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,768
else that you can fuck. I mean, I Do they even have

755
00:49:07,817 --> 00:49:11,579
like vibrators back in that age? I don't know. I mean, her

756
00:49:11,661 --> 00:49:13,208
dad can whittle one out of wood.

757
00:49:16,007 --> 00:49:19,459
I don't think I'd want that in my cooter, okay? That's splinters, okay?

758
00:49:24,116 --> 00:49:27,880
I can't see down there. Can you help me? I know, right? I need a

759
00:49:27,928 --> 00:49:31,708
series of mirrors and a couple of extra hands. You're in like— I

760
00:49:31,708 --> 00:49:35,170
just pictured one of those Mirror mazes, and you're yes, yes.

761
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:39,100
I'm like exactly. I think I got it. Wait, where's

762
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:42,780
my tweezers? Oh wait, you know I can't handle my own

763
00:49:42,780 --> 00:49:46,480
tweezers. I gotta have somebody else help me. I'm gonna need extra people. It's like

764
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,180
you're gonna have to make it a family affair or something. And the

765
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:53,460
next thing you know, you're fucking bald because you haven't even gotten the

766
00:49:53,460 --> 00:49:55,860
tick. Oh

767
00:49:55,860 --> 00:49:59,620
my god, we're going to have a tick, but

768
00:49:59,620 --> 00:50:01,080
fully bald now.

769
00:50:04,112 --> 00:50:07,560
Man. So on. So,

770
00:50:07,898 --> 00:50:11,552
um, fuck, where did we leave off? Hey, what's up? Oh, oh, she's leaving.

771
00:50:11,649 --> 00:50:14,725
She's in the fucking carriage and he tells her again, I love you.

772
00:50:15,923 --> 00:50:18,837
And she's close. It's on the tip of her tongue, but she don't fucking say

773
00:50:18,853 --> 00:50:22,448
it. She goes back home. That's when like one of the

774
00:50:22,448 --> 00:50:25,252
most interesting for Nesta,

775
00:50:26,467 --> 00:50:30,140
in my opinion, occurs. She goes back home. She now sees that her

776
00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:33,932
family has lived a very wealthy life. They're in the beautiful home. They're no longer

777
00:50:33,932 --> 00:50:36,952
in the cottage. He has been taking care of her family this whole time. They

778
00:50:36,952 --> 00:50:39,600
have food. They have luxuries. They're, I mean,

779
00:50:40,263 --> 00:50:43,577
perfect, perfect life. She comes home.

780
00:50:45,436 --> 00:50:49,166
Elaine, the dad, or the dad's out of town, so it's Elaine or

781
00:50:49,166 --> 00:50:53,003
something like that, and Nesta, and they're like, oh my God,

782
00:50:53,052 --> 00:50:56,839
you're home. Oh, the aunt died so that she hadn't been taken care of

783
00:50:56,839 --> 00:51:00,680
or whatever the fuck. There's this whole story. Yeah. And Feyre was going along with

784
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,077
it only for us to find out that

785
00:51:04,077 --> 00:51:07,812
Nesta was never glamoured. Nesta

786
00:51:08,104 --> 00:51:11,433
always remembered that Feyre had been taken by this beast.

787
00:51:12,876 --> 00:51:15,709
And what do we learn? We learn that fucking Nesta

788
00:51:16,518 --> 00:51:20,128
goes back to the village to find that mercenary person that

789
00:51:20,144 --> 00:51:23,762
bought the wolf pelt. to hire her, to

790
00:51:23,762 --> 00:51:27,002
take her across the wall to search for Feyre.

791
00:51:28,899 --> 00:51:30,735
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

792
00:51:32,926 --> 00:51:35,504
But anyway, anyways, like,

793
00:51:36,487 --> 00:51:39,885
she is a fucking little bitch, right? Like,

794
00:51:40,256 --> 00:51:43,735
yeah, she's a little bitch to Feyre, right? And she's like,

795
00:51:44,766 --> 00:51:48,570
um, but now she's all glamoured up, right? She's not in like the

796
00:51:48,570 --> 00:51:51,134
scraggly fucked up clothes she was in before Feyre left.

797
00:51:53,214 --> 00:51:55,447
And like, she doesn't have, um,

798
00:51:57,178 --> 00:52:00,236
she's not very, uh, what's that word I'm looking for?

799
00:52:01,350 --> 00:52:04,986
Appreciative of what they have now versus what they had

800
00:52:05,810 --> 00:52:09,430
prior, prior to Feyre being carted off to the

801
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:13,058
Spring Court. Do you think it's 'cause she knows

802
00:52:13,574 --> 00:52:16,710
where it's coming from? Maybe.

803
00:52:18,458 --> 00:52:22,255
Maybe, but it gets even more fucked up

804
00:52:22,255 --> 00:52:25,732
as, as we read the book because of shit that Amaretto

805
00:52:25,732 --> 00:52:28,249
does and things like that.

806
00:52:30,454 --> 00:52:33,459
Sorry. Yeah. I like that she didn't marry that guy that Farrah told her in

807
00:52:33,459 --> 00:52:37,255
those last few minutes. Don't marry so-and-so, he beats his wife or whatever. Yeah.

808
00:52:37,659 --> 00:52:41,263
Nessa listened. I thought that was

809
00:52:41,295 --> 00:52:44,462
interesting. I'm like, dang, she not only listened, but then she actually went to try

810
00:52:44,462 --> 00:52:48,186
to find her. Mm-hmm. She knew. Yeah. Like she

811
00:52:48,186 --> 00:52:50,664
had some sort of conscience or

812
00:52:51,773 --> 00:52:55,409
whatever. Yeah. Or maybe it was just to rub her fucking face

813
00:52:55,522 --> 00:52:58,993
in it. It's the, the interesting dynamic

814
00:52:59,202 --> 00:53:02,825
of her once she, once she got back to the house, right?

815
00:53:02,987 --> 00:53:06,595
And seeing all this beauty and, you know, Elaine out there in her

816
00:53:06,888 --> 00:53:10,554
motherfucking garden, like just

817
00:53:10,554 --> 00:53:14,018
living her best life in these beautiful dresses and then like the, A big

818
00:53:14,082 --> 00:53:17,576
party that her dad had, right? Welcoming

819
00:53:17,832 --> 00:53:21,678
Pharaoh home. Yeah. Did you guys find it interesting that like her crippled dad

820
00:53:21,678 --> 00:53:25,444
all of a sudden was like out and about walking around? Yeah. Yeah. He's like,

821
00:53:25,460 --> 00:53:28,697
fuck that guy. I got money now. I got money around. I'm gonna go fucking

822
00:53:28,809 --> 00:53:32,431
spend it like it's the last thing on earth. I don't fucking care. We're

823
00:53:32,431 --> 00:53:35,668
so rich. We know we have 3 times what we had before. Blah, blah, blah,

824
00:53:35,796 --> 00:53:39,370
blah, blah. Yeah. I, I did like you listening cuz I'm starting to get

825
00:53:39,643 --> 00:53:43,363
Fucking spicy about him. I, I

826
00:53:43,732 --> 00:53:47,469
did like the conversations that Feyre and Nesta had in this

827
00:53:47,661 --> 00:53:51,398
book after she got back. I, I liked,

828
00:53:51,414 --> 00:53:55,038
yeah, I liked that Nesta was like, fuck our dad. He

829
00:53:55,038 --> 00:53:58,069
never, like, our mom was sick and he could have sailed. They had money. He

830
00:53:58,069 --> 00:54:00,764
could have sailed to find her a cure and he didn't. He let her die.

831
00:54:00,892 --> 00:54:04,340
And so then you start to see like, oh, she really hates her

832
00:54:04,340 --> 00:54:08,063
dad. Yeah. Yeah. And, and in that

833
00:54:08,175 --> 00:54:11,705
conversation, I think it— sorry, side note, Feyre,

834
00:54:12,428 --> 00:54:16,215
Nesta says, tell me everything, cuz I was never glamoured. Feyre does. She tells her

835
00:54:16,215 --> 00:54:19,151
everything. Tells her about Tamlin, tells her about Lucien, tells her about the whole thing.

836
00:54:19,841 --> 00:54:22,521
So in that conversation of like the dad and the mom and

837
00:54:23,741 --> 00:54:27,287
her hate for it, I think is when, when Feyre understands a little bit more

838
00:54:27,287 --> 00:54:30,786
about Nesta and Nesta kind of inspires

839
00:54:30,962 --> 00:54:34,746
Feyre to go back. And to fight for her man. 'Cause Feyre realizes

840
00:54:34,746 --> 00:54:38,577
at that point, oh, I do love him. I should have said it. And

841
00:54:38,577 --> 00:54:42,103
like, he could be in trouble now. I need to go back. Yeah. But if

842
00:54:42,103 --> 00:54:44,748
you did that, then we wouldn't have 5 books later.

843
00:54:45,822 --> 00:54:49,412
Sorry. If she would've said it in that moment, curse broken.

844
00:54:49,877 --> 00:54:53,019
Yeah. Curse broken. Tiny books. That would've

845
00:54:53,019 --> 00:54:56,577
sucked. Thank you, Sarah J. Maas. This is the part where I

846
00:54:56,689 --> 00:54:59,911
got hooked into the book is when I realized she's going back.

847
00:55:01,610 --> 00:55:02,450
That's when it got good.