The Finish Line by Kate Stewart, The Frenchman Gets Domesticated, Pt 1

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Welcome to Paperback Confessions. Fair warning, Finish line by Kate

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Stewart was way too good for one episode. You are listening to part one,

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where we are diving into the drama, the heartbreak, and all of the delicious

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chaos. Let's confess.

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Okay, put the glasses on. We're being serious now. Okay, okay.

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What happens when the person you've spent your life trying to protect

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is the one who finally saves you? Today, we're crossing the

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finish line with Cecilia and Tobias. I had

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to breathe a story about redemption, second

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chances, and a love that refused to stay lost.

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Welcome back to Paperback Confessions, bitch.

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All right, ladies, I'm one of your hosts, Dirty

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Skittles. I'm here with T.

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Rex and Nacho. Nacho.

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Nacho. Business. Not. Yeah, mind your own business

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because my business is not your business. I'm not your mom. I'm

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not your daddy. None of this is your business. Oh. Anyways,

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sorry. Sorry I got sidetracked. You started

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every time. I did. Well, we're here.

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We're here to talk about the very last book in the Raven Hood trilogy.

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It is called the Finish Line. This book is

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also a contemporary dark romance. Talks a lot about enemies

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to lovers, but now the enemies are trying to be lovers

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and kind of. Kind of.

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I have here a note. This was the first, only book in

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this trilogy that's written from a dual person perspective.

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A lot of it's Tobias and the rest is Cecilia,

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and I thought that was pretty cool. Love this author. I am going

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to go back and read some more of her books, but I needed to

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get the finish line out of my soul first,

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so I had to have a couple palate cleansers.

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But, yeah, I've really enjoyed reading

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this series. I can see why it was a gateway series for you

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because it's a emotional roller coaster of like,

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just an emotional roller coaster. It's crazy.

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Yeah, My Gateway. Three way.

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The Gateway. Yeah. Yeah,

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it. I'm happy to hear you say that because I, you know, when you read

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a book and you. It's nostalgic. I remember loving it

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in the time. You never know if other people are going to love it. They're

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going to be like, oh, God, I got to get through this. You know what

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I mean? Right. But then context is important, right? Like

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my. My book I read in the 90s, I was 15 years old. Right.

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My Gateway book that I just. I looked up again and it's

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apparently a whole series. Didn't know that,

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so. But this one was like. You were very clear about, like,

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this is my gateway. This is the first one that I read. And I think

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that kind of context is helpful to other people,

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especially people who like reading smut. Because, you

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know, if you're. If you're willing to admit that

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this is your gateway three way book to

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another human, and they're like, what's the

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title? We have friends.

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You have friends. You know, people.

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I. I like the book, too. I like the whole series, but this wasn't my

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gateway. My gateway was Fourth Wing.

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But then, like, I got into this book and I couldn't stop.

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And second book, I was just pissed off the entire time I was reading it.

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Pissed off and mad and. And a little sad. And then I got

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to book three, and I was like, somebody grew a set of

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balls. I love it. What would you

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have done had you picked up this series before 4th Wing?

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I probably would have kept reading it because, well, I told

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you, sex is sex. All right, winner was very long here.

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I needed something to do. Yes, let's get into the

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details because I do want to talk about. I'm afraid to

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say it. I feel like it might be my favorite sex

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scene out of all three books. Surprisingly happens in the finish line,

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which is weird, right? So, like, I want to get to that. I don't see

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why it's weird. Let's jump right in. I think maybe there's like,

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that part of me that's like. You would think the three way on the lake

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would trump all three, but for me, the sex scene

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and finish line trumps the three way. So let's. Let's talk about

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it. I feel like. Let's do like a quick

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little recap. The gin.

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Quick recap. In Flock, Cecilia

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basically intros herself into this world of Raven Hood,

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right? She meets two main guys. Sean, she's

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19 years old, 19, important.

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And that's just like her first intro into this town to this,

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I don't know, Brotherhood to these two main guys. I

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feel like in Flock, she has a lot of growth,

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self discovery. Who is she? Does she like three

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ways, right? Is she okay being

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sexually expressive? Like, she's kind of grappling a lot with, like, who

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am I? An exodus. I feel like at that

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point she sort of figured out who she is,

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except that her whole world yet again, is starting over, right? Like

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the Brotherhood, the two men that she fell in love with, that gets sort of

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stripped away. And then she's meeting her enemy,

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Tobias, and then rediscovering her

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feelings and emotions towards this person who stripped away

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the life that she thought she wanted and loved.

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So she's rediscovering herself. Then there's loss. We all lose

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Dominic in that series, which is really sad. Flip

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that. You were just like, we all lost Dom. We did. Yes,

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we lost Domino. Dumb did. I was so

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sad. I'm still. I think after all these years,

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I'm still just as torn up about it. I'm still grieving that loss.

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That was such a hard

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character to say goodbye to. And then here we are

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into the finish line, which, on the topic of Dom, I feel like he's very

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present in this book, even though physically he's not there and he's not making

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moves and calls. They're both sort of

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grieving that loss, especially Tobias. So in the

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finish line, which is where we are now, we pick up with

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Tobias seeking out Cecilia, right? In

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Exodus, the second book, they

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part ways. And she

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goes to college. Yeah, she goes to college. She moves to, I think,

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like, Virginia or some shit. Like, she moves. She's. She's. She's in a different state.

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And Tobias now has to figure out, fuck, I really love

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this woman. I'm willing to do whatever it takes

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to get back into her heart, right? Like, I. He now

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knows that's his woman. He's willing to, in

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essence, sort of put her in danger as being a part

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of his life. But he wants to

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be a part of hers, I think more so than anything else. And

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finish line, my opinion is that she's pretty independent now,

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right? Like, she's like, I'm starting a new life here. I think she, like,

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starts a bakery. Like, she's. She's making moves to just. Diner.

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Yep, yep, a diner. Thank you. So she's like,

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I'm establishing who I am as a woman. If you want to be a part

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of this, Tobias, I have conditions. She

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sets her boundaries. You have to tell me the truth. You have to be honest.

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You. She's making that motherfucker grovel

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his way back into her heart. Oh, I see

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Nacho thinking, I don't know that. Like,

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I. Yes, gravel. Okay, I hear you.

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But I also see, like, no, these are the boundaries, and I'm gonna

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stick to them. And if you don't like it, you can eat ass somewhere else.

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And he does. No, I'm just kidding. I mean,

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damn.

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But it doesn't. I don't. I don't. You don't see it as gring, right? I

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don't see as a groveling. I see it as, no, homie. You

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up. We had great rage sex in the other books,

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but that's not where I'm at I'm not interested.

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And if you want some of this puss, puss, you got to handle your business

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the way I want you to. And you bring up a good point,

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because in this book, she withholds sex.

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She's like, hey, we're not immediately wetting

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the whistle. That's what. She's not immediately getting your dick

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wet. She's like, if you want that, we

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need to fix all the other stuff. Like, we need to have a solid foundation

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before we start getting fancy with

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ourselves. Well, and that's why, like I said, that, you know, she

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finally found a set of balls, and she, she's not leading with

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emotions. She put up these serious boundaries, and it's like,

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either follow my rules or you're not getting any. Like, here's some

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lube in your hand and go take care of it. But you're not

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touching me. And for me, that was like, kind of like

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her victory lap because of all the years of her getting lied

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to and, you know, all that other she had to

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go through. So I, I, I loved seeing her as,

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like, kind of villain, kind of badass

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all at the same time. Yeah,

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I did, too. But as a smutty

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book reader, I was like, yo, how long is it going to be? How long

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until we get to what I'm here for? I mean, I loved it,

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but to be, to be honest, I do like

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that she made him work for it. She stuck to her

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guns. I was like, that is hot.

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That is hot. You know what you want. You're not gonna, like,

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you know, quibble over dumb. You know,

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you can be here, but I'm still gonna live my life. It's like that whole

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I said this to some, a partner of mine one time, and it turned into

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a huge thing. But I don't need you.

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I don't need you. I want you. And when

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that want stops.

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Bye. Bye. Bye, Felicia. That's right. Bye,

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Shashisha. Get the out. So,

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yeah, I get. I just as much as I hate it,

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I didn't hate her in the first one, but I

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love her in this one. Yeah. She's

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unapologetically like, this is my life.

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Knowing that she still has feelings for him, knowing

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that she still loves him, knowing that he's got the biggest, beautiful, most beautiful

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dick on the planet. For her, it's all

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her spots, right? Scratches those deep

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pitches. Itchy. Itchy. So,

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speaking of. No, I'm just kidding. Enter ad

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ready

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thing. Why the vibrating chair again?

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For our listeners, T. Rex has a vibrating office chair.

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She Swears it's just for being her back. Just her

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back. But her back location is in a

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different spot than most. Nice.

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Nice. You know what? At least now when I get up, I'm not

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handicapped. Okay. 62 is not

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the best. Oh, look. And now

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we have our controller. We're just going to turn it back on

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the glass. I'm just kidding.

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I do think that that speaks to her growth. Right? Cecilia in book

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one versus Cecilia in the finish

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line. Would we all agree that she is a woman

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in the finish line? Yeah. Oh, hell yeah. Whoa, man.

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Man. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, this is my. You want to be a part of

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it? Get it? Come correct is what she tells

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Tobias and I. Correct. Come correct.

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Oh, not C u m.

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I got. Now, listen, we were talking about when your brain squirrels, you

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gotta say squirrel. That was a big squirrel. Would you say, was it come correct?

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Like, come at me correct? Nobody's ever heard that for come

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correct. I did. Now I learned a new word. Did. Did.

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Did Mama Skittles teach you that word? Maybe she's about

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to. I

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do like, though, part of me. Okay. I think I've learned

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a lot about myself in this book. I like Men in power. I love that

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Tobias was, like, suits and, like, badass. So when I

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first started reading Finish Line, and he shows up to the small town, not wearing

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suits, sort of trying to fit in with, like, Wrangler jeans and, like, a T

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shirt or. I struggled with it at first, rereading the

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book. I loved it. I love that Tobias had to become, like,

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domesticated. He was really trying to put his whole

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being into. That's not me

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anymore. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't

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see it like that. But you're right. He had to put up a different

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perspective on, like, what he was seeking and the reasons he was

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seeking it. Not just to protect her, but

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to kind of, like, refind himself. Also,

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because by that third book, some shit had gone down with,

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like, Antoine and, you know, a bunch of other people. So

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he, you know, number one, he was scared as, right? He thought for

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sure everything he'd worked for his entire life was now going to go up

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in flames. The woman that he loved

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had, like, escaped and took him months to find

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her. Right? And even though all the. All the ravens were out

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there looking for and protecting her,

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only one knew where she was. Yeah. Who was it?

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Sean. Sean. It was shot because it was like

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he never lost tabs on his woman. He knew exactly where she

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was always. Because didn't he put a tracker in the Car.

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Yeah. And that's how they were able to locate her. And. And the reason why

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I think that's such a pivotal moment is because Tobias had to ask Sean,

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do you know where she is? He goes, sure do. I've known

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the whole time, Jack. The whole time. Yeah. So it was just such,

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in my opinion, like, such a boss ass move for Sean

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because Tobias thought he was on, like, on top of it all,

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right? Like, Cecilia is his woman, but he lost her. And Sean never let

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go. So he was like, yeah, here she is, making sure she's safe.

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She had a guardian angel, right? Like, knowing, okay,

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so knowing that, but also

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knowing that he was really, really in love with the woman that he was

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married to and they were having kids. That was like,

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sexy. So sexy, right? Like,

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you can still care for people, but you still know who

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you go home to. You still know where your bread is buttered, right? Like,

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you still know who you love. And while you loved this person

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before, that's not who you love like that now. And they. They

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became, like, the best of friends. And. And like you said, it was

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really beautiful. And you know, how much he. He loved

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his wife and how much he loved his kids. Right? We got to see

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a grown up version of Granola Head. And that.

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That made me happy. Is that, like, after all these years, you know,

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he found his way. Yeah. But he never

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truly let his first love move on. But they

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became really, really good friends. Yeah, he. He for sure

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respected her and loved her in a way that

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he wouldn't. She was never going to be alone. You know, he may not

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be in her bed, but she would never be alone. He was always watching

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out for her. And I loved that because that's. I feel like, in a way,

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that was always their relationship. Like, he. He took her into his world, but

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he always, I guess, wanted to

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protect her that way. And so he never. He never

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stopped. And I thought that was. I was like, oh, okay, Shawn. So

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sweet. Mm. I think Sean love that for him. I think.

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I think some of the funnier scenes in the book where Dom was,

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or not Dom, but Tobias was trying to be, like, all

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domesticated, right? And, like, cooking in the kitchen. And then he

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got, like, super fucked up on gummies and.

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And gin and like, totally destroyed the kitchen.

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But just how he. How he tried so hard to be domesticated

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and failed horribly. Like, the first three times

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Sean, I think, would text him, like, hey, how's it going? And the

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two of them would have this back and forth about, like, hey, you've Got to

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be there. Let her adjust. Like, Sean's giving Tobias advice on what it's like

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to be a different version of. Of what a woman needs.

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Right? Like, let her adjust. She'll adjust. Give her time and, like,

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very. Oh, I don't know the word that I'm looking for,

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but I was just like, that shit's fucking hot. Okay, Sean, let's go to the

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waterfall, and I'll eat your granola. Fine.

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So I love that I. I do

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love that Tobias was willing to

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seek help, too. Like, I. Like, there was. There's parts in the book where he

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had cashiers. Like, he would go to the same cashier at the stores and

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ask them. Oh, yeah. For advice. I thought that was really cute. Like,

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he was. He was trying so hard to learn how to be a man in

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a different way so that he can win Cecilia back. And I thought that was

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really sweet. I also thought what was really sweet is when he went to the

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cafe and was, like, busting tables, and he was like, I'm here,

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my wranglers, pulling up my sleeves. Like, let's do this. And the

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old lady with her son and the whole, like, talking French

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and everything. And I have to go back and. And read that section

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again, because I kind of want to in that. In one of the sections.

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They didn't translate it to English, so I need to go and look that up.

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Oh, no, the audio. I think the audio is.

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If you can't find it, go to the audio version. Okay. Yeah,

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yeah. Like, no questions asked. Cecilia didn't have to ask for help. Dom jumps in.

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He's like, I got you. Like, whatever you need, I'm here. I. I love it.

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Because he knew she wasn't gonna ask him for help. She

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just wasn't. It was in my brain. She just wasn't gonna ask him for help.

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You're just gonna be there. You're gonna be a pain in my ass. That's fine.

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Go ahead. Be a pain in my ass. But. Mm. I'm not gonna tell

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you now. I'm gonna let you work for it. Yeah. And he

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did. He said. He sure did. He said,

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say less. So they have this sort of dynamic throughout the finish line, at least

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the first half of the book, where he's trying to be, you know,

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the man that she needs. It's a little bit foreign to him, but he's willing

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to put in the work and. And learn. And I think in doing so, he

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learns a lot about himself and what he values. We do a lot of,

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like, going back for him, too. A lot of, like, his history and

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his growing up and how, like, intertwined it is.

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Because we're going full spoilers, right? So, like, how her

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mom and. And him, like, met up when he was

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little and Dom. And, like, my

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brain just kept melting and melting and melting.

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This. This author,

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emotional roller coaster. Thank you, ma'. Am. Yeah, there

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was, like, threads throughout. Everywhere.

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Everywhere. Yeah. So to speak, on that scene that

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Nacho just mentioned. It's like, Tobias. Okay, so Dom.

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They're kids. I don't remember how old they are, but Dom is home from school

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sick, so Tobias needs to go to the pharmacy to get him medicine.

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So these are children in the pharmacy. He meets

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a woman who. Who helps him. I don't remember if she pays for the medicine.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I. So he was. She was driving down the

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road and saw. Saw Tobias

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walking down the street, and it was, like, hot, and it was long

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drive, and she's like, hey, do you. Do you want to ride? So she drove

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him to the drugstore, and then. And she's, like, a thousand months pregnant. Yeah,

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she's. And so she's like, yeah, what's Cecilia,

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right? She was gonna name her something weird,

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like. Yeah, I don't remember. I don't want to upset anybody's name that

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wasn't like. Yeah. But. Yeah. So she picks

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him up, and there's this whole thing between the two of them where

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they go to the drugstore, and he needs

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Tylenol. He's only got 20 bucks because

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that's what he was able to squirrel away because they were living with the aunt,

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and the ant's a hot mess. So he's only got 20

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bucks, and he needs to get the medicine,

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the Tylenol, because he's got chickenpox or something like that. Yeah.

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And then she's like, well, what else do you need?

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And so she gets them, like, you know, cans of soups and cats and raviolis.

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And then he's, like, eyeing the books. And I was like, well, we don't

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have any books. And so she's like, here. And just, like, in my brain, she,

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like, just table swipes stuff into the car,

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anything that he, like, even a little bit looks at.

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Right. And little cars for baby Dom.

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Yeah. So there's this whole thing, and, like, they. He says in the book, he.

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That it lasts for. It lasts them for months.

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It lasts them from the food that she bought last them for months.

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And. And so that was, like, a core memory for him.

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And then he. He. To add to that he like, mentions how, like, throughout

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their life, like, boxes of things would show up, like clothes and.

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And whatever they would need for whatever age they were. Yeah, like this. This

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mystery package. And he always. I think I. I think he believed it was like,

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friends of the family or like the town or something like that, but he never.

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People that were in that group that the parents were part of. Yeah,

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but it was Cecilia's mom the whole time. And it ties back

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to her feeling guilty for the

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parents dying and wanting to take care of them without necessarily outing herself

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to a kid. Like, it's my fault. So she carries that on.

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She's. She's trying her hardest to take care of these two boys from a

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distance because of what had happened in the past.

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And she does so to, like, the detriment of her and Cecilia growing up too.

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You find out at the end of the book. Well, closer to the end of

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the book, that it was really to the detriment. And. And

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Cecilia grows up thinking like, her mom's just a wastro when it comes

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to money, when her mom was really just putting everything that she could

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into those boxes to send to those boys out of

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whatever her feelings were. And. And so

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Cecilia, who's. I can't even remember why she was

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so pissed at her mom in the first place. And

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in finish line. Yeah. I think it's because she knew her mom

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was a part of the death of. Oh, yeah, Dom's family. Yeah. Yeah, you're

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right. Ye. Yeah, you're right. Because she got like. Did the mom write her a

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letter or something? I forget.

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A letter to dad. And she read the letter to dad, and then she went

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and confronted her mom. Right. And then her and her mom didn't

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talk for a whole lot of months. But like, one of the funniest

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scenes in the book is when mom and. What's the

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dude named Tim or whatever or something. Or Timothy. I don't

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know. From book one. Yeah. They roll up

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in like a RV and Winnebago and it was

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all like, right around, like, the sexy time in the book.

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Well, they were gonna. Yeah, they were gonna. And then interrupted.

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I was like, God damn it. More chapters.

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Yeah, they show up. They're like, hey, Cecilia, remember that we were gonna go

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camping or something? And she's trying to shoo away her mom because,

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you know, Tobias at that point knows that the mom is

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responsible for the parents death. And so she's trying to

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prevent him from being in an uncomfortable situation, like, prevent Tobias from having to deal

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with that. And he's like, no, it's good. I'm good. I'm here.

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We're gonna have to do this. Let's do it now. And he was very respectful.

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Yeah. And. And the thing is, it's like he already knew. He

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knew that, you know, it wasn't. It was her

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mom and not her dad that started the fire. But,

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you know, that whole, like, push me, pull me kind of thing,

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I felt that angst in the house. It was

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horrible. Okay, as shitty as this sounds, it. It

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reminds me of an old girlfriend I was with. The woman I was with before

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I. I got with my wife, and she was going back

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to men, and it was this whole push me, pull me kind of thing.

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And I don't. I do not do well in those situations. Okay? You either want

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me or you don't want me. You know what? I'm not around. And.

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And if it happened now in my age, listen, you're

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dead to me. I'm done. Are you. Are you saying that that's how Tobias.

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Like, are you imagining that's how he felt? The push me pull me, or the

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push to push me pull me? Yeah, like, you want me, you don't want me.

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You want me. You don't want me. I'm giving you everything I have, and

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I struggle with just desserts. Yeah,

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just desserts. Not like, you know, it should be tit

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for tat in any kind of relationship like that. But

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you. Sorry.

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I love it. This is tasty cakes coming back at us. Oh,

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no. I will never live that down. And I

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say it all the time, too, for the most dumb things.

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Oh, no. Oh, no.

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I agree. That push me, pull me. It was.

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This is so weird, because I could understand Cecilia in this book

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more than I could in the other two, but I.

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I felt so bad for Tobias. I felt so bad

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for him because he was trying everything, and that pushed me. Pull me was up.

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His, like, well, being like. Oh, yeah,

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yeah, he did get up. Yeah, a couple. That whole drunk night.

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That whole drunk night when he destroyed the kitchen thing, he. That was, like,

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screaming PTSD to me. Like a. I was like, I lived through some

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crazy like that. I don't like it. So, like,

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yet again, thank you, ma'. Am. Which actually, that

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scene, didn't he. I think it happened or it gets triggered. So he was like,

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we're gonna. I don't remember if Sean gave him the advice, but he's like, we're

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gonna do a date night. I'm gonna cook us dinner. I'm gonna recreate,

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like, the fireflies in the backyard, whatever. But I think at some point,

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Cecilia had mentioned a story to him. Like, we're just like, this

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story is very much our story. So he buys the book. Oh,

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this is the Thornbirds. Yeah. And. And

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in reading it, he immediately has a horrible emotional reaction

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because he's like, there's no way this is us. Like, he takes it as an

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insult and just starts fucking hammering back the gin.

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I burns the dinner. I'm telling you, in order

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to understand that reaction, you have to, at the very least, watch the

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miniseries. Like

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we will. We will do an addendum to this episode after you have watched

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the miniseries. I really want to know everything that comes out of your

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brain after you watch that mini miniseries.

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Okay. It explains the. So are you. So then you having that knowledge, does it

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explain, like, are you like. That's right, Tobias. I understand why you reacted that

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way. Yeah. I. Yes. Okay. Without the

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spoilers. She's like, I don't want to spoil it for you, but, yes, I understand.

450
00:29:16,770 --> 00:29:20,410
Yeah. It's a whole different dimension. So now we have

451
00:29:20,410 --> 00:29:24,130
homework. Skittles. But we have enough homework. We have enough

452
00:29:24,130 --> 00:29:27,650
homework. Thorn Birds can wait. It's okay. We've. We have.

453
00:29:27,810 --> 00:29:31,530
We are. We are on a mission. I am on a mission. Okay. We have

454
00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:34,370
a mission. We are accomplishing that mission before October.

455
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:39,450
Okay. Thornbirds. Thornbirds. Can you can mix

456
00:29:39,450 --> 00:29:43,300
in? Yep. Sprinkle in. Because, you know, an

457
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:45,620
acquired taste for some people. It's not for everybody.

458
00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:50,540
I highly recommend. So then it makes sense. He has this reaction. He's cooking

459
00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:53,740
dinner, ruins date night, she comes home, he's

460
00:29:53,740 --> 00:29:57,500
plastered. Actually, it was not gin. It was, like, wine or something. It

461
00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:01,100
doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Oh, yeah. It was the la. Whatever wine. Like that.

462
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:04,340
Super expensive wine, but wasted champagne wine.

463
00:30:04,740 --> 00:30:08,460
Yeah. And he has, like. He's stripped

464
00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:12,260
of, like, all dignity, basically, and he's just confessing everything to her and. And

465
00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:15,820
letting it all out. And I think she

466
00:30:15,820 --> 00:30:19,620
learns a lot from that moment about Tobias and to some extent,

467
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:23,220
gets some. Actually, yes. She has some compassion for him,

468
00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:27,060
because after he gets put to bed because his dude's fucked up

469
00:30:27,060 --> 00:30:30,700
drunk blackout, she goes outside to let the

470
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:34,540
dog out and sees all the firefly lights, which for her was

471
00:30:34,540 --> 00:30:38,340
a very important thing. Like, he. She, in that moment, recognizes

472
00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:42,050
just how much effort he's putting into changing and

473
00:30:42,050 --> 00:30:45,730
becoming a better version of himself with her,

474
00:30:46,050 --> 00:30:49,890
trying to accommodate the boundaries and the things that she has set for

475
00:30:49,890 --> 00:30:53,330
him. Yeah. He's throughout this whole time, like, 20.

476
00:30:54,130 --> 00:30:57,490
I wrote it down. I think it's like 27 chapters. This dude

477
00:30:57,810 --> 00:31:01,650
isn't even trying to force his way into her life the way he

478
00:31:01,650 --> 00:31:05,330
did in the previous books. He's like, I'm gonna be here. I'm gonna

479
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:08,130
respect this. We're gonna keep going. I mean, he forces his way into the house

480
00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:11,650
and into the bed, but he doesn't like, put his agenda on

481
00:31:11,650 --> 00:31:14,890
literally anything else. He's like, this is what I need. This is the only thing

482
00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:17,170
that I'm gonna take. I'm gonna be in your space, I'm gonna be in your

483
00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:20,290
bed, and that's that. Everything else is.

484
00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:24,290
We're going at your speed. Right, Right. And so she

485
00:31:24,450 --> 00:31:28,130
finally, I think, in that moment, recognizes just how much effort he's putting into

486
00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:31,650
it. And then that, I think, is the triggering event

487
00:31:31,810 --> 00:31:35,170
for what I like to refer to. And in my notes, as

488
00:31:36,030 --> 00:31:39,750
I can explain, it's chapter 27. Which brings us

489
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:43,070
into just the tip in chapter 27.

490
00:31:43,470 --> 00:31:46,590
Finally wrote that down. Because I'm going right. Meow. Yeah.

491
00:31:46,990 --> 00:31:50,830
Readers or listeners, if you're reading this book. Well, yes,

492
00:31:50,830 --> 00:31:54,110
if you're. Yes. 27

493
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:57,950
chapters I had to read before the fucking

494
00:31:57,950 --> 00:32:01,630
sex scene. And I'm like, I just want it so bad

495
00:32:01,630 --> 00:32:05,470
because I, I think the author. Spectacular job of this build up of

496
00:32:05,470 --> 00:32:08,730
27 chapters of you as reader feeling that like.

497
00:32:10,090 --> 00:32:13,890
Like, I just want this to happen for them so bad. He's putting in

498
00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:17,530
so much effort. You're. You're like, any minute now it's gonna happen. 27 chapters.

499
00:32:17,530 --> 00:32:21,090
Finally. Oh, this is. Yes, I remember

500
00:32:21,090 --> 00:32:24,810
this now. She gets. Oh, I

501
00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:28,610
don't want to ruin what you're saying. Keep going. No, no. So it, it happens.

502
00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:32,290
And here's what I want. This is my opinion of why I think

503
00:32:32,290 --> 00:32:35,930
this is the hottest sex scene in this trilogy. This scene.

504
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:40,180
Like that's how it's like, that's how this spicy stuff starts. Is like he's down

505
00:32:40,180 --> 00:32:43,900
on her full blown, giving her

506
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:47,580
exactly what she needs. I did think about Yuji Rex and

507
00:32:47,580 --> 00:32:50,980
re reading this. The whole edging. I think there is a little bit of edging

508
00:32:50,980 --> 00:32:54,740
there. You think? But it's different because it's not a

509
00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:58,460
power move. It's like, can't. Is this. Are you sure you

510
00:32:58,460 --> 00:33:01,660
want me to do this? Are you sure you want this to happen? Because of

511
00:33:01,660 --> 00:33:04,780
how strong this has always been for them. Is like this. And also, I'm going

512
00:33:04,780 --> 00:33:08,420
to take this a long time because who knows what the fuck's gonna happen

513
00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:12,180
tomorrow at this point. Yes. And so like this whole scene

514
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:15,980
starts with that, she gives in. She's like. Gives him the green

515
00:33:15,980 --> 00:33:19,780
light. Let's do this. He starts doing it. And I love the way the author

516
00:33:19,780 --> 00:33:23,220
basically writes the scene and that, like, he is a starved man.

517
00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:27,020
And so, like, he has this frantic moment of, like, this frenzy of, like, he

518
00:33:27,020 --> 00:33:30,420
just needs it, needs it, needs it. And then at some point, he realizes to

519
00:33:30,420 --> 00:33:34,230
Nacho's point, like, I don't know what'll happen tomorrow. And

520
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:37,950
then he slows down a bit and then really starts to, like, there's a lot

521
00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:41,710
of tongue assaulting and jackhammering and. With the tongue and.

522
00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:46,110
Yeah, and lots of it. Yeah. And it slows down a

523
00:33:46,110 --> 00:33:49,869
bit. And then, you know, they're doing the thing. And then I

524
00:33:49,869 --> 00:33:53,390
think finally he lets go of himself after she

525
00:33:53,390 --> 00:33:57,150
says, I love you, and then it's like, oh, he's home again.

526
00:33:57,470 --> 00:34:01,230
And then he, you know, the scene ends. But she, the author

527
00:34:01,230 --> 00:34:05,030
did just such a good job of writing that out that me as

528
00:34:05,030 --> 00:34:08,750
a reader could feel that power dynamic between

529
00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:12,350
the two and that struggle and that. That chemistry.

530
00:34:12,350 --> 00:34:14,830
So my question for Nacho, and just a tip.

531
00:34:16,030 --> 00:34:19,750
What was your thoughts? Could you feel the tension? Could

532
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:23,150
you feel like that was it? Would you say your

533
00:34:23,150 --> 00:34:26,350
opinion. The three way on the lake

534
00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:31,730
versus the oral slash, I love you sex in the

535
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:35,290
finish line. Do you have any opinions on which ones? I have an opinion about

536
00:34:35,290 --> 00:34:39,050
everything all the time. Just whether they're appropriate for this moment

537
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:42,570
or not. Not my problem. Here's my

538
00:34:42,730 --> 00:34:45,130
not your problem. Not my problem.

539
00:34:46,010 --> 00:34:47,290
Okay, so the.

540
00:34:49,770 --> 00:34:52,330
For me, the three way

541
00:34:53,859 --> 00:34:55,859
on the. On the dock or whatever,

542
00:34:57,539 --> 00:35:00,739
it was hot, but also, like, that whole

543
00:35:00,899 --> 00:35:04,539
summer loving happen. So fat, right? And then

544
00:35:04,539 --> 00:35:07,219
this is like in finishing line

545
00:35:09,619 --> 00:35:13,139
was emotion. So emotion is very much

546
00:35:13,219 --> 00:35:16,899
attached to sex for me. And

547
00:35:16,899 --> 00:35:20,659
so that emotion and the pushing and the pulling and the back

548
00:35:20,659 --> 00:35:24,299
and the fourth and the. And the edging and the. All that kind of

549
00:35:24,299 --> 00:35:27,580
stuff plays into that for me. So it was like

550
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:31,900
both incredibly hot scenes. Even the angry sex

551
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:35,340
in the second book, there was like, I hated it,

552
00:35:35,420 --> 00:35:38,220
but also I loved it. Right?

553
00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:42,460
Because they're so fiery

554
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:47,100
when they're together. And that's just not what it was

555
00:35:47,340 --> 00:35:50,940
in book one. It wasn't fiery. It was sweet. And

556
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,360
yes, there were two guys and one girl. And yes, it was naked. And yes,

557
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,880
they were out in public or public ish. But they were outside

558
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,560
where you can get, you know, sand in your vagina or, you

559
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,240
know, mosquito butt or I don't know what. Like this. That

560
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:09,080
didn't feel romantic to me. But. But it was sweet

561
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,760
and it was kind, and it was, like, lovely and hot and.

562
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,320
But these two,

563
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,270
like, even when Sean and

564
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:23,790
Dom were out of the

565
00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:27,390
picture and Tobias was

566
00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:31,110
really trying to insert himself into the daily life of

567
00:36:31,110 --> 00:36:34,950
Cecilia, it was still hot for me.

568
00:36:35,830 --> 00:36:39,510
Right. Because the emotion that goes along with it,

569
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:43,990
huge emotions, valleys and mountains of

570
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:47,770
emotions. And I think that's that

571
00:36:48,810 --> 00:36:52,210
roller coaster for me is what really attracted me to these

572
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:56,050
books. Right. Because I'm the same

573
00:36:56,050 --> 00:36:59,810
way. Like, wait till chapter 27. But for me, the

574
00:36:59,810 --> 00:37:00,730
sex started

575
00:37:03,610 --> 00:37:06,810
when she started setting boundaries. Yeah. Okay.

576
00:37:07,210 --> 00:37:11,050
Okay. That is hot. Okay, okay.

577
00:37:11,050 --> 00:37:14,780
Yes. Set that boundary. You. You are worthy.

578
00:37:14,780 --> 00:37:17,180
Do the fucking thing. Because there are things that

579
00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:22,100
I know I didn't do. That's why I vibed so hard with

580
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:25,740
Cecilia on a number of levels.

581
00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:29,220
Because when I was young, I was

582
00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:32,300
emotionally stupid. I'm still stupid, but, like,

583
00:37:32,860 --> 00:37:36,500
I know I'm worthy. I

584
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:38,380
know that I deserve.

585
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:43,590
Who have kindness and to have

586
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:48,950
love and to have respect, and I

587
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:52,070
deserve to have somebody who wants that from me, too.

588
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:57,990
So that's why I was like. So the sex for me with these two in

589
00:37:57,990 --> 00:38:01,790
this book didn't start in 27. It started, like,

590
00:38:01,790 --> 00:38:05,540
when she was like, the boundaries. These are the things. Yes, this

591
00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:09,380
is great. But also. Right. And now she

592
00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:12,300
knows by 27, she knows he's a wreck.

593
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:18,220
Yeah. I. I wonder if that's why I found

594
00:38:18,220 --> 00:38:22,060
this scene so hot. Like, you're probably like, I'm 100%

595
00:38:22,540 --> 00:38:25,740
on with you on this. Because the emotional

596
00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:31,100
point or aspect of that sex scene was everything. Like, I was

597
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:34,920
like, sign me up. Like, this is amazing. More so

598
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,480
than the lake. I, I totally,

599
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,120
I. I totally get you. Like, the whole lake scene for me, yeah, that was

600
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,920
just hot, you know, summer sex. Hot young

601
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,720
adult summer sex. But, you know, now in this, by the

602
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:53,440
third book, you know, they're both a little older. I believe Tobias is

603
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,080
a lot older than Cecilia is. And for me, that

604
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,400
whole dynamic was.

605
00:39:01,050 --> 00:39:04,770
It was a huge turn on for me because it was basically her saying,

606
00:39:04,770 --> 00:39:08,450
don't mistake my desire for surrender. Right? Yeah,

607
00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:11,690
she's still. She's still,

608
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:15,849
still fucking pissed. And, yeah, I want you. We need that

609
00:39:15,849 --> 00:39:19,450
on a T shirt. Yes. This is not surrender.

610
00:39:19,530 --> 00:39:23,330
And, you know, he. She had to teach him

611
00:39:23,330 --> 00:39:26,800
how to deal with her as she is now while she was

612
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,960
still trying to survive him and that whole, like,

613
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,720
push me, pull me. So, yeah, for me, it was.

614
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,200
It was emotionally intense for me. Okay. Not just

615
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,920
sexually intense, but emotionally intense. No, you're 100, right? And as

616
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,000
I feel a segueing off of the sexy scene. I want to read this piece

617
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,600
because I was, like, ready? Do

618
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,320
it hurt? This is at the end of chapter. At the end of chapter

619
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,970
27, Cecelia says, I'm certain that if God

620
00:39:56,970 --> 00:40:00,490
granted me only one minute of life on this earth, I would want it to

621
00:40:00,490 --> 00:40:04,250
be this minute, this moment with him where I know exactly

622
00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:07,810
why I'm alive and who for. Gazing up at the love of my life, I

623
00:40:07,810 --> 00:40:11,490
accept him fully back into his place in my heart, giving

624
00:40:11,490 --> 00:40:14,170
in the one thing I never had control over,

625
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:19,410
because it's mine. I love you, I murmur. And with one last

626
00:40:19,410 --> 00:40:22,810
thrust, the

627
00:40:22,810 --> 00:40:26,570
thrusting. And I shrunk. I shrunk it

628
00:40:26,570 --> 00:40:28,730
because I was like, yo, this is going on for far too long. Maybe it's

629
00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:31,290
a gin. I said, let me shrink this. But the point is,

630
00:40:32,330 --> 00:40:35,970
there was. He thrusts after

631
00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:39,650
he says, I love you, and he comes. But you

632
00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:43,330
started to tap into something drx because, okay,

633
00:40:43,330 --> 00:40:47,050
these two dynamic characters, there's this final sexual moment.

634
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:51,180
To your point, she's saying, because we're giving into this. I'm not

635
00:40:51,180 --> 00:40:54,780
surrendering, right? Like, I'm still this person. He still needs to

636
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:59,300
work to be a part of it. And then the relationship sort

637
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:03,020
of transitions into this underlying story

638
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:06,700
of what Tobias has sort of been hiding this whole time.

639
00:41:07,820 --> 00:41:11,180
And after, you know, she emotionally

640
00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:14,960
bears herself and they've had this sex, she starts to find out that

641
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,040
he's still keeping secrets, like he. He is.