Exodus by Kate Stewart, The Frenchman Enters the Chat, Pt 1

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Welcome to Paperback Confessions. Today's

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episode is part one of our two part discussion of Exodus

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by Kate Stewart. If Flock was the temptation,

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Exodus is the consequence. The secrets are unraveling,

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the stakes are rising, and we're diving into all of it.

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Let's open the book and unpack the chaos together.

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She thought love would save her. Instead, it demanded a sacrifice.

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Welcome to Paperback Confessions.

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I am one of your hosts. Dirty Skittles. I am T.

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Rex. And I'm not your mama.

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Not your mama, not your business. Not

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your. Yeah, I'm not your mama. I'm not your

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daddy. What you got going is not my

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business. And what I got going on is not your business.

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I love it. I love it. We have gathered again to

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talk about the second book in the Ravenhood series by Kate

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Stewart. This book is called Exodus. If

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you are tuning back in because you've also joined the

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Ravenhood, welcome back. This is your first

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episode. No worries. Go listen to the other one.

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No, go read the book and then listen to the other one. Fair. Because. Because

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there's. Yes. So many fucking

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spoilers. And especially in this book. This book, we're not holding shit back.

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And a lot goes down in Exodus.

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Spoiler heavy. So let's recap, guys.

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Do it. Last book, we met Cecilia.

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Cecilia is our first person point of view

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person in all of these books. I like to call her

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possibly the unreliable narrator. We don't know how much of what she's

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saying actually happened. I mean, it's her perspective.

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But we get to join her in triple falls in

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book one, and in doing so, we get to meet a few characters.

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We have Sean, who I called the granola eating

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motherfucker. I think was my exact words.

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I love Sean. I just. And then we met

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Dom, who was the asshole who I also love.

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The book ends with her

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getting to know the Frenchman. It's like this cliffhanger, right? Because in book one, she

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thinks Dom is the Frenchman meeting the Frenchman,

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meeting the Frenchman, also known kind

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of to be the wolf. That's where we pick up in

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Exodus. So Cecilia's sitting at a pool. She meets the

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Frenchman. What are yalls first thoughts on the Frenchman? How does

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he present to you in that scene? He's

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kind of a scary motherfucker, okay? Scary.

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Such a dick. So immediately off the rip, you're

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like, this guy's a dick. Yeah, what a super dick. Like,

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he gave me like mafia vibes.

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Kind of like he was like. He was like the mafia type.

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Is that because of the suits? The suits and just

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his like, nonchalant, like, I don't give a fuck. You know,

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I am the most important person in the room. Blah, blah,

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blah. Like, go fuck yourself. Listen, as women, we

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can take care of ourselves, okay? Don't always need a man.

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Yeah. So let's set the scene, right? So Cecilia is laying by a pool.

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She's just kind of. She's in her, like, fuck you, Sean, Dom era.

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Y' all can go kick rocks. They've like, disappeared,

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right? Or they're about to disappear, and she's just like, fuck

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it, I'm here. Titties out. She doesn't have her top on. Yes.

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I'm here for titties out, girl. Get it? Yeah. Fuck.

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Tan lines. And then in walks

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this man. Like, G. Wreck said, full on suit,

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very Mafia vibes. Very much like, I run this bitch. What are you doing here?

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He's kind of like the head honcho, checking in. Like,

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I know you're here. You need to get the fuck out. Essentially,

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that's his vibe. He doesn't want her to be a part of whatever's going on

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with his boys, Sean and Dom. And in

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doing so, I would say, at least my perspective there, like

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their very first meeting, is she

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hates him. They hate each other. They fucking hate each other. She hates him because

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he represents the thing that potentially got in the way of

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her romance between Shawn and Dominic. Because, like, she doesn't get to talk

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to them at all because they. They fucking disappear

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and he tries to run her off. Right, Right.

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She's like, fuck these guys because I'm going to school anyways.

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Fair. She should better herself. Go

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back to school. Cecilia. Jesus Christ, stop thinking with

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your dick when it's good. You know, everybody be thinking with their dick, though.

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Very true, Very true. And there's nothing wrong with thinking with your dick,

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but Cecilia is a girl that maybe needs to think less with her dick.

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So. Yeah. And then I think Tobias hates Cecilia because

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I actually. I don't know why. Why do you think he hates Cecilia?

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Because she's an interloper and she's full of shit. And.

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And she. She's, like, fucking up their plans, right? Because

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from what I'm understanding, like, nobody was supposed to fall in love with her.

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And, you know, Sean and. And Dom are, like,

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fucking things up. And then, you know, here comes head boss man.

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Like, what the fuck did you two just do? Right? And

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it was an interesting read. I was. I. I was getting angry

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when I was reading that book. What was making you

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so angry? The fact

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that I don't know, men are sometimes gigantic dicks.

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Okay. Giant dicks. You know, I do not like secrecy.

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I don't like lies. And that I just felt

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like she was stuck in the middle and that

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she was having a hard time clawing her way out. But she

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was also missing Dom and Sean, like, so much, and

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she felt guilty. Yeah. Yeah. She's

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in love with them. Right. The end of book one, she's madly in love with

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them. They try to push her away because this guy, the

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Frenchman, has now shown up. And I.

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It's curious because as you. As you read Exodus,

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and I guess we can kind of talk about it now, because it ties into

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this. It's like, as you read Exodus. Exodus, you

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learn that Tobias always

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claimed Cecilia. When I say claim, he didn't want her to be a part of

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it. He specifically points her out, like, she is not to be a part of

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this, which is why she was the secret. Right. So

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Sean and Dominic meet Cecilia. They kind of pull her into this

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throuple. They were trying to keep her a secret because

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Tobias never wanted her to be a part of it.

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So when I read that, I remember thinking, like, he's always claimed

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Cecilia is his. And this is Tobias,

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Sean and Dom. So far that we know at this

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point, Tyler's kind of flittering around in

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there, too, but that they're all creating this

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huge episodic thing

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where they're gonna get revenge on Cecilia's dad

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for killing Dom and

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Tobias's parents in the plant that he owns.

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Right, right. It was big fucking conspiracy.

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Right. And she's the innocent child who shouldn't be

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associated or impacted

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or impact their plan. Right.

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But I think he. Tobias always wanted

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to, I guess, control how much

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of her involvement existed in this whole story. And so

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he gets really pissed that she's now here. And not

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only is she here, she's fucking two of these guys.

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His brothers. His. Yeah, literal. One blood

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brother. One Raven Hood brother.

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What a way to make an intro, though, huh? Welcome, Cecilia.

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I. One of the things I'm curious to get your opinion on

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is, as this story starts to unfold with Cecilia

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and Tobias, do you see

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any growth in Cecilia's character and how she

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views love from book one and book two?

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I. I did. I. I think that she's tired of getting used,

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because at the end of book one, she really. She

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felt really, like, used and kind of abused and, like,

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not physically abused, but, like, emotionally abused. And

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so I think when she comes into book two, she's a little bit more tentative,

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a little Bit more standoffish. But then she starts to grow a

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set of balls, which makes me happy because now, like,

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she's not this little wallflower. She actually has a voice and she's

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using it. And it wasn't so

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much like, with the sex scenes. I mean, there were a lot of angry sex

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in that book. A lot of rage, rage

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infused, hot, sloppy, dirty ass

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sex. It was great. Yeah, keep going. I'm sorry, I just.

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Yes, I just bit my lip for the listeners. I was like.

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I was like, yeah, so that. I mean, Dad, I see her, like,

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coming of her own and kind of, like, coming crawling

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out of that show and being like, I

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need to take things in on my own and take care of myself. Because, like,

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her dad don't give two fucks. You know, her mom is,

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like, in Atlanta. Her best friend is in Atlanta. She's there

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by herself and she's trying to build her own alliances, but she's, like,

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failing in that. So she just leans into herself

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and, you know, it's like, I need to fucking fix this.

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What about you, Nacho? Did you notice any growth between book one

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and book two?

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Yeah, I noticed that there was, like. I started feeling

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a little bit. No. Yeah, sorry. I was feeling a little bit sorry about all

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the whining that I had complained about in book one,

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because they really, like, put her through, like,

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she really went through some shit in book two, right?

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Like, like

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dealing with Tobias and having him, like,

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in her face after so long. Like,

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the, like, Sean and Dom disappeared.

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And so then she's like, oh, my God, what am I gonna do? I miss

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him so much. Like, low, right?

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And then. And then at this point when I'm reading, it's like this fuckhead,

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it's, like, pushing my buttons and, like, rage baiting me. And now,

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fuck it, she's gonna have sex with this guy

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who she doesn't even at this point, like, but she clearly knows that she's attracted

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to. So she

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goes, for me, she went from being so naive and so

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in love and so far down, because remember, I'm like, yes,

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give me the fucking. Break me

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in a book and then put me back together. And then this is not a

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breaking and then putting it back together. This is like a breaking and then

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beating you down further.

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And to go

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through that is a lot.

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Yeah, it hurts. And then to have somebody, like,

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in your ear, on your ass after,

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no communication at all. Because it's like eight

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months or something. Ten months or something like that. Yeah, it's almost a year that

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he Leaves, like, she has no contact with anybody.

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With Dom, with Sean, with Tobias. They have

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this little thing at the beginning of the book for like, a chapter or

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two where it's like, I fucking hate you, and you're a little

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bitch and all this other back and forth. But then for,

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like, 10 months, she goes to school, and then there's nothing.

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And then all of a sudden, Tobias is back in her face,

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and she's still raw from not having any

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communication. Yes, yes, all of that is

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true. And I think the first time I read

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this story, I didn't really appreciate how much time

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goes between they've left her. There's no contact

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to when she fucks Tobias, right? Like you're reading it.

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The. Like, when I read it the first time, I'm just like, okay, when do

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we get to the sex? But right in doing so, I didn't realize that

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she actually waits. So hold on. Let's back up for a sec. Last time

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she sees Sean and Dom, is that like,

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some fucking town festival or something? And Sean tells her to

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wait for them, right? He's like, just wait for me. I'll make this right.

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One day, right? Very, like, cryptic,

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whatever, and then they disappear, right? So imagine you're.

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You're Cecilia one day, and it's fucking almost a year

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later before you get to see them again. So in that time,

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what happens? Yeah, she breaks, right? She's fucking miserable.

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She's not eating. She's not sleeping. She tries to find

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them. Like, she's looking for. Where are they? They're

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gone. Business shut down. Out. They're

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like. They never. The apartment that they were in or house or whatever was

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for rent. Yeah, completely gone, right?

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So no trace of this love or life that you've been

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waiting for, for this one day to happen. And then almost a year later

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and nothing, right? So she. I think. I think

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it's like, I don't know, let's say, like, eight months or something

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before she sort of cracks and, like, has sex with somebody else,

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which happens to be Tobias, because he's in her face,

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like, really making a point of it. He's making her feel like shit.

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Like they don't even. They're not even here. Like, I feel like he was very

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much like, you're worth nothing. Like, they're not even here. Why are you loving them?

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That's so stupid. Like, they're clearly not gonna come back for you, right? Mm.

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But, yeah, she's attracted to him. He is attracted to

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her. And I think there's a fine love

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Fine line between love and hate is what they say. And

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I think to some degree she fucks Tobias to

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sort of get back at Shawn and Dom is what it felt like. Like, they're

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not here. Fuck this. I'm just gonna have sex with this guy. But also to

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like, move on. Because clearly I need to do something different than what I was

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doing before. Because what I was doing before ain't working for me no more.

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Yeah, they don't give a shit. I gotta move on. Fucking the

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Frenchman. Well, and I think the other thing to think

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about too is like, the Frenchman is like very poss.

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Possessive. Very, you know, like, you are mine.

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I did think it was a little

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cheesy maybe that, like, the first time they actually hook

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up, that there's like this connection, right?

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Like, oh, we really up. Like, we didn't just.

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But now there's feelings there off the first time.

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Like, I was like, really? Though Maybe it's possible.

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It's never happened to me, I suppose it's like she's got the vagina.

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The vagina to end all vaginas, right? Apparently,

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like, whoops. As soon as you have a little tasty cake,

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then you know you're done for for the rest of your life. So clearly

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Tobias is in the right where he has to be possessive because he don't want

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anybody else getting on that bandwagon.

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I'm just saying, can nobody else have a tasty taste? Because

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clearly the pussy's good. Yeah. So

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good. So good. But I also.

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Was it the tasty cake? Who says that?

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Yeah, we can't do an ad for them.

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Oh, that would be so funny. Oh, no, that's a thing of tasty

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cakes.

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This one has a briny taste to it.

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Oh, man. No, ma'. Am.

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How many licks did a creamy center cream

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filled tasty cakes? Whose cream? I

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don't know. Does it matter? Right,

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Fair. Fair only to Tobias because. Because

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Cecilia no longer gives a right. So I think she fucks him

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because she's like, fuck this. To your point, I need to move on. These guys

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can suck ass. Like, that's it. And this guy's hot and he's hot

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and I think he fucks her. And maybe this is just me projecting

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again. I think he fucks her because he's so mad that

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they fucked her first. So now he's like, I'm gonna her so

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good, she'll never want them again. And it's an angry

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fuck. Yeah, like, super, like,

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super angry fuck. Like, and non

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consensual because. Because, like, she didn't really consent to. The

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first time that they hooked up. Yeah, he kind of was like,

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all in. Yeah, he like cheapened it. Like,

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I don't know. It was very dirty. Angry sex is how

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I describe. Is definitely a thing in the. In. In book

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two that is very questionable.

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More than in book two? More than in book one.

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Tobias and Cecilia finally hook up, right?

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And like I said, they have sex and it's sort of like this cheesy moment

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where it's like, whoops, we mean more to each other than just a cheap hookup.

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I feel like that starts it. It felt like it was

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such a slippery slope. Like, all of a sudden it's like cheap, angry

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sex to like full blown. Like now you're reading like this

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beautiful soulmate type connection between these two

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characters. And in my opinion, one of

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the things, speaking of, well, consent made me think of this was

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Tobias is older than Dominic. I

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forget. I think he's like in his 30s. Yeah.

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So he's older than Dominic, who was already older than

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Cecilia. So there is a bit of an age gap here. 11 or 12 years

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difference there. Yeah. So with that age gap to

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now be reading this, like, soulmate type

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relationship, at least from my perspective for Tobias, it

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felt a little weird because he knew about

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Cecilia when she was younger. Like he knew who she was.

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So to me, I remember like, really grappling with that. Like, I

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don't know, this is. This is a bit odd to have

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sort of these possessions. Do we catch that in two? Do we catch that in

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two or do we catch that in three? I think we catch that in three.

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Maybe we'll catch it on three. Sorry, that's. I don't know.

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I was just thinking maybe. No, it's perfect. No, I don't think it's wrong.

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But yeah, when I. When I got to that part, I felt the same way.

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Like that just got a little creepy odd.

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But at that far, at that point, they're. So far,

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so much has already happened. Right. Like, they sort

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of fall for each other, like really hard before they

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verbally say anything.

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And it's like it seemed, at least as a reader,

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as to be a deeper connection with Tobias

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than it ever was with Shawn and Dominic.

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Cecilia seems to really fall hard for

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Tobias. And I

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wondered if it was because to some degree, I do think that they're very

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similar in how they

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breed love or express love. Like, I feel like they're two

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sides of the same coin.

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Cecilia and Tobias. Yeah.

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I don't know. I think it was like the difference between, like, a summer love

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and a. And a hot hookup?

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Well, I mean, that's. Yeah,

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I guess. Yeah. Like, Shawn and Dom

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were sort of, like, hot, and we thought we were gonna be together

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forever, and then we're not, because clearly, you guys can't.

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You're choosing this. Whatever secret society thing that you've got going on over

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me. And Tobias is even

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further entrenched into that mentality. But I think she

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knows it and how deep it can go.

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Well, she thinks she knows how deep it can go, so she has a different

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setup going into the whole Tobias thing. So she has different expectations.

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She still wants the truth, and she still complains that she's not getting the truth.

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And she always says, I'm in it. I'm in it. I'm in it.

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Yeah, I think.

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I think Tobias also sort of forces his. Forces himself

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into her life, or Sean and

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Dominic wanted her to choose them. Like, I feel like Tobias sort of

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forces his way into it. Like, he just starts. Okay, first of all, weird.

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This dude just starts showing up at her dad's house, cooking dinner.

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Like he lives there. I was like, who is this guy?

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And she's just like, this is a problem, but, all right, what's for dinner? Like,

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it was a very fucking weird thing. Like, he just starts pushing his way

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to be, like, a constant presence to cook

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for her. Like, I think he, like, had her car wash.

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Like, the guy was just, like, in her life. Like, he forced his way

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in there. And I remember reading that thinking, like, is he doing this on

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purpose? Like, he wants her to see him as, like, a provider,

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caretaker. Like, what was his end goal? Right. Because,

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like, really, like, why was he. I

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feel like he had already claimed her as his. And I think

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that was his whole driving,

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I guess, force in this book was that, like, no, no, no. You

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may have had sex with these guys, but you're mine. And now

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I'm here, and I'm cooking you dinner. Like, he wanted

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her to see him as everything, and he forced his way out.

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Yeah. Because he did.

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I feel like that's spot on. Yeah. Because. Because he does.

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He just. He literally inserts himself

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physically, emotionally, socially. Like, all

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of the ways that you can insert yourself into a human being. He does

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the thing, Right. Yeah. Or a human being space. I should

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say that I. I find him to be very

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possessive. Right. And, like, that. That kind

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of thing turns me off a little bit. In my real

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life, it turns me off. But in my book life, I'm like,

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yes. Yeah.

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Because suspension of Reality for me, dude.

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Yeah. I think I had a really hard time with it until

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Sean and Dominic show back up. And then

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I was like, I love Tobias. Here's why. So.

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So reader listeners. Sean and Dominic

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show up, just pretty much. Did they just finish having sex,

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Cecilia and Tobias, or were. They were like. Yeah, they were like, in the garden.

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Yeah. Like, going to it for the second time. That very, like,

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romantic. Like, actually, like, they were essentially saying I

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love you to each other without the words. Like, very tender actions. Long

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look, he's like on top of her or something.

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And then Sean and Dominic show back up, and

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immediately it's fucking

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like. Like a horrible balls to

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the wall, we fucking. If looks could kill type argument. Right?

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Like, they're. Dom and Sean are immediately

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pissed. I had. I remember reading it. Like, Sean, like, his.

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Like, how dare you? Like, Sean has the

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fucking audacity to be like, we told you to wait.

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Why couldn't you wait? This

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granola eating mother. It's almost

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a year, bro. Right? Wait.

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Yeah, I'm a woman. I have needs. Yeah.

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Like, yeah, he. He treated her like it was

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like they were still together, I guess. And I mean, sure, maybe,

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but, like, he definitely treated her like they were still together. Like,

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we love each other and we see each other every day. And I went

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to go get milk and I came back and you were fucking somebody else. Like,

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that's how he treated her in that moment. Like,

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he was so crushed and so hurt. And she immediately. I remember

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her reading that. Like, she sees them and, like, guilt, right?

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Like, she feels guilt. Like, oh, my gosh, they're

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back. And like, I. What have I done?

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Yeah. And then Dominic, you know, I

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love Dominic. He sees her,

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and rather than, like, he did say

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some hurtful things, but I feel like the

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emotional reaction, that

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was more than it needed to be with Sean's where Dominic was

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sort of like, mean, quiet, spiteful. Like, I'm gonna hit

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you where it hurts, and I don't have to yell about it. He definitely felt

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betrayed, but he was also

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mad about it's his brother. Yeah. Like, and, like,

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Sean and Dominic tell Tobias how they feel for Cecilia before

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Tobias tells them, you gotta get the fuck out.

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So, like, they had confessed their feelings for

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Cecilia to Tobias. So I think that's why it hurt

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Dom more that Tobias betrayed

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him. You know, like, how could you do this?

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You're my brother. And like, throughout the books,

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like, throughout one and two, you don't really hear

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a lot about Tobias until we get to the, you know, second book.

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And, like, I don't know. Man up and tell your brother

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that you already are in love with this person that you're protecting. Right?

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Don't make it a fucking. Like, oh, look, we're hooking up. And then all of

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a sudden, everybody finds out, okay, I was gonna be a dick.

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Yeah, I did.

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So I had, like, said. I was like, oh. I didn't like Tobias until

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this scene because I was so angry at Sean's reaction.

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I hated the hurtful things Dominic was saying to

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Cecilia. Basically calling her a whore. Like, he was just trying to hurt her,

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do low blows to really hurt her. I loved

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that Tobias, like, subtle things, like,

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he stepped in front of her when they were walking closer. Like, he was, I'm

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gonna protect her. This is my lady. I'm staking claim. This is my

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chick. But I also love that Cecilia gave it right

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back. Like, for me, I was like. This was, like, the first time where she

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yelled back at them and, like, was saying all the right things. Like,

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you told me to wait for one day, and one day never came. And

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Shawn's like, what is this? She's like, it's too motherfucking late is what it is.

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It's too late, dude. I done moved on, right?

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I was like, finally she speaks up for herself

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in that scene. That is a really hot moment for me because she's just

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like, meh, yeah. Lights intone. Yeah,

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yeah. She gives it right fucking back. And even to

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Dominic, when he basically calls her a horse, she's like, yeah, say it in. What

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is she? I remember, like, I was literally reading it before we started recording. She's

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like, say it in. She understood it in French, but she wanted

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him to say it to her face in English. She's like, say it in a

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way that I will fully understand that in this moment, you are

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calling me a whore. Like, she was like, fucking say it. And he immediately was

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like, looks down for treats. He's like,

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yeah, I fucked up. And I loved that.

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Tobias, unapologetically was like, this

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is my lady. He's like, I've always done things

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to take care of you. This was what I did. To take care of me.

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Like, I wanted her. She's mine. Yeah. That's kind

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of the first time that you see, like.

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Like, you kind of have it in. Well, for me, I had it in the

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back of my head that, you know, he really did some sacrificing and that. Like,

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you know, they kind of grew up differently. But

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this was the first time where I was like, oh, shit. Maybe it goes A

462
00:30:22,670 --> 00:30:26,110
little bit deeper because I'm an idiot and I don't really pay,

463
00:30:26,270 --> 00:30:29,950
right? Because I was not prepared for

464
00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:34,430
the stories that were told in book three. I was not prepared.

465
00:30:35,390 --> 00:30:39,230
Book three fucked me up anyways.

466
00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:40,670
Okay. But.

467
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,560
Okay, no, no, hey, listen.

468
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,040
Of the three, I think book two hit me

469
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,840
harder because it was. It

470
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,520
really sucked, I think, when you really like either

471
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,960
Shawn or Dominic, to see Cecilia go for someone else.

472
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,520
But it really sucks when I think me as a

473
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,200
reader, I'm also emotionally torn between, like.

474
00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:15,540
Like, you're now falling for Tobias. But for me, I'm like, I

475
00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:19,060
still cared about Dominic, so I could relate to

476
00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:22,460
Cecilia's, like, that moment of, like, I don't know, fuck, like, what am I gonna

477
00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:26,180
do? Yeah. So as. As if that scene

478
00:31:26,180 --> 00:31:28,780
wasn't hard enough, I think the biggest

479
00:31:30,380 --> 00:31:33,180
way that Exodus fucked me up was.

480
00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:38,780
I know it's coming, and I don't wanna cry again.

481
00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:43,960
Okay, but before there. Stop it.

482
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,160
Yeah, but before we get there, we have to let, like. I feel like it's

483
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,960
so important to understand, like, where

484
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,040
Cecilia's. Because I had.

485
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,920
We all experienced things in our own life that were like, oh, my God, this

486
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,640
is as low as I've ever been. And. And. Right. I

487
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,440
want to blame this other person, but I had my own part in it and

488
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,210
all this other whatever, right? These relationship trials and tribulations. But

489
00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:15,010
she yet again goes

490
00:32:15,010 --> 00:32:18,170
through more fucking, like,

491
00:32:20,410 --> 00:32:24,250
sadness, right? Because she's so torn between all three of

492
00:32:24,250 --> 00:32:27,730
these people. And I'm not really a whore, but maybe I kind of am. And

493
00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:30,610
why does she have to do that? Right? Like, it's just because we've all been

494
00:32:30,610 --> 00:32:34,250
trained. Yeah. She. To your point, she

495
00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:37,930
grappled with that idea in book one of, like, how can I love

496
00:32:37,930 --> 00:32:40,980
two people? That would make me. I mean, she doesn't say it will make me

497
00:32:40,980 --> 00:32:44,740
a whore, but essentially that's her belief is, like, how could one person

498
00:32:44,820 --> 00:32:48,340
do that? And so to your point, in this book, they're

499
00:32:48,340 --> 00:32:51,820
calling her that. And how do you not kind of

500
00:32:51,820 --> 00:32:55,619
retreat in on, like, that? Take that security. Yeah.

501
00:32:55,619 --> 00:32:58,780
How do you not take that in from people who you thought you loved and

502
00:32:58,780 --> 00:33:02,180
that you loved you? But she's already been stepped on by these two.

503
00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:06,780
She's already been, like, gigantically pooped

504
00:33:06,780 --> 00:33:10,380
on. And now. And now she's

505
00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:12,100
retreating from Tobias because,

506
00:33:14,740 --> 00:33:17,860
well, they're back. They're here now. And I can. Maybe I could.

507
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:22,340
Right? Like, what do I do? So then she's just

508
00:33:22,340 --> 00:33:26,140
like. I just imagine this, like, swirling toilet moment, right, where you're just sucked

509
00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:29,900
down. It's terrible. It's terrible. I'm happy

510
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:33,480
you brought us back though, Nacho, because I totally

511
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,840
forgot. Like, yeah, there's this huge fight, right, with all of them because they catch

512
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,640
Cecilia. But I forgot to say that, like, what makes Tobias

513
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,200
such a fucking asshole is he a

514
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,440
told them to get the fuck out of town, knew

515
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,240
exactly where they were, knew exactly how they felt

516
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,480
about her. He makes a move in anyways,

517
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,490
now he's saying, this is my bitch. Knew they were coming

518
00:33:59,490 --> 00:34:03,170
back and didn't tell her shit. He was like, oops, they caught us.

519
00:34:03,330 --> 00:34:07,170
But they showed up. But no, but then there's that whole moment where I was

520
00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:10,930
going to tell her because I had two weeks left. And they're like, what,

521
00:34:10,930 --> 00:34:14,530
10 days fucked you up? You've known about this for 10 months,

522
00:34:15,090 --> 00:34:18,130
right? They were supposed to come back after 10 months. They came back

523
00:34:18,930 --> 00:34:22,770
nine months and two weeks. Nine months and two and a half weeks early.

524
00:34:23,090 --> 00:34:26,810
Found them stooping on the floor of the garden.

525
00:34:27,450 --> 00:34:30,410
And then. And then he. Tobias

526
00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:34,690
had the nerve to get mad at them because they knew

527
00:34:34,690 --> 00:34:37,450
someone, right? They knew someone, right? Someone.

528
00:34:38,330 --> 00:34:42,130
Little fishy there. Yeah. Fuckery is a foot is what they said.

529
00:34:42,130 --> 00:34:44,090
Fuckery is a foot, yes.

530
00:34:45,930 --> 00:34:49,050
So they came back, what they said, 10 days earlier or something like that,

531
00:34:49,610 --> 00:34:53,410
and found these two. And then. And then Tobias has the. The.

532
00:34:53,410 --> 00:34:57,010
The gall to be mad

533
00:34:58,610 --> 00:35:02,210
that they fucked up his plans to

534
00:35:02,210 --> 00:35:05,890
tell her when he's had how many. How many

535
00:35:05,890 --> 00:35:09,410
months? So many. But like two months. Two months at that point

536
00:35:09,490 --> 00:35:12,290
that they had been together, doing the thing,

537
00:35:13,090 --> 00:35:16,610
playing house. He knew from day one. He knew.

538
00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:20,340
Yeah, he was the one that sent him. Just be fucking

539
00:35:20,340 --> 00:35:24,020
honest. Like, it's so fucking shady. Oh,

540
00:35:24,020 --> 00:35:27,060
that's why I think he did it. Like, to be like, fuck these guys. This

541
00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:30,780
is my bitch. Yeah, but so shady. Such a shady way to do

542
00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:34,380
it. Also, again, so happy we went back because

543
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:38,940
after that, just speaking of how Tobias is

544
00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:42,740
an asshole. After that she, you know, rightfully so.

545
00:35:42,740 --> 00:35:46,360
Cecilia stands up for herself. She's like this. I'm packing my. I'm getting the

546
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,200
out of town. Let us not forget that. Like, somehow she's

547
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,000
drugged. How did that happen? Who did it? Oh

548
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,840
yeah, cuz she's packing. Oh yeah, cuz she's packing. Yeah,

549
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,320
she's packing. She's got her music on. I think she's

550
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,800
drinking wine. She's. All of a sudden, she wakes up the next day

551
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,280
and with what with a plastic.

552
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,040
With two tattoos of raven wings on her back,

553
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,750
covered, not subtle. And she's like, what the. Like, like full

554
00:36:16,830 --> 00:36:20,430
back moment. It seems like from the description that the author

555
00:36:20,430 --> 00:36:23,630
gave, like a huge. A huge

556
00:36:24,030 --> 00:36:27,510
brand, like, let's call it what it is. Somebody branded her as

557
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:31,150
theirs. And like in book one, we learn from other females

558
00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:34,950
with these similar tattoos is that they. That signifies that they belong to

559
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:38,670
someone in that ravenhood. So somebody has branded her

560
00:36:38,670 --> 00:36:42,240
also. Wait, Sorry, sorry. This is all coming back to me now. Yeah, it's before

561
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:46,000
he fucks Cecilia. Yeah. Before he fucks Cecilia

562
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,640
and he knows where her two lovers are,

563
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,560
he rips a necklace off her neck that somebody had given her with

564
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,399
raven. With a raven. Laid it on. Laid it on her pillow. So she found

565
00:36:57,399 --> 00:37:00,760
it. Yes. And he literally snapped that shit up.

566
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,200
Exactly. So I think 100% he's the one

567
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,240
who tattooed her. Well, drugged her first,

568
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,760
tattooed her as his, and then is off. And I think

569
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,480
this because. And this is a com. I could be completely off on this

570
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,280
theory is because when she wakes

571
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,520
up, I think I remember the author writing something like, she wakes up to the

572
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,360
sound of, like, her French doors slamming. Like. Like there was wind and

573
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,040
the doors are slamming and rattling really loud. And to me, I think, like, that

574
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,800
was a subtle nod to, like, it's Tobias, right? Like,

575
00:37:33,950 --> 00:37:37,630
Tobias has tattooed. Oh, you just be drawing all kinds of lines, girl.

576
00:37:37,630 --> 00:37:40,830
Kinds of. I love. Your brain is sexy as hell, dude.

577
00:37:42,110 --> 00:37:45,910
Sexy as hell. Because I never would have. I never would have said that in

578
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:49,230
my brain. It happens. And again, I could be completely off.

579
00:37:49,869 --> 00:37:53,590
You don't have to be. Do it. The reference of French

580
00:37:53,590 --> 00:37:56,510
doors clanging is written a couple of times,

581
00:37:57,390 --> 00:38:00,910
and I think in Exodus specific. I don't remember, but I remember

582
00:38:01,230 --> 00:38:04,990
in that specific scene thinking it was Tobias

583
00:38:05,230 --> 00:38:08,910
because he was like. Well, because that. That patio in those doors are like.

584
00:38:10,750 --> 00:38:14,190
There's a lot that goes on with those. Considering it's just a patio and just

585
00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:18,030
French doors. There's a lot of things that go on in that

586
00:38:18,670 --> 00:38:21,470
tiny little space off of her bedroom. Yep.

587
00:38:21,710 --> 00:38:25,430
Foreshadowing. Yeah. But I think

588
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:28,890
he's the one, because he's dick enough

589
00:38:29,130 --> 00:38:32,730
to drug her, like, force his way into her life yet again.

590
00:38:33,130 --> 00:38:36,930
And now I'm claiming you in a way that you can't nobody else could rip

591
00:38:36,930 --> 00:38:40,570
off of you. This is a tattoo. You are mine. For me, at this point,

592
00:38:41,530 --> 00:38:44,490
I'm not convinced that Sean and

593
00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:49,410
Dom left the necklace. I'm not

594
00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:53,110
convinced. I'm not convinced that Tobias

595
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:57,030
did the tattoo. And

596
00:38:57,190 --> 00:39:00,950
that's just because that's how my brain works. There's always somebody Worse. There's

597
00:39:00,950 --> 00:39:04,790
always somebody bigger. There's always somebody. Right. I thought you were gonna be like,

598
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:07,910
she did it herself. I'll be like, wah. M. Night Shyamalan,

599
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:14,510
the unreliable narrator is a fucking psychopath. She's

600
00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:18,070
done it. Yeah, but, I mean, sure. Why not?

601
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,320
But that's where, like, there's some. Like, there was another. Another

602
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,640
person. Right. So I. I wasn't

603
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,360
there yet. What about you, G? Do you have

604
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,760
any theories who the necklace giver or tattoo

605
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,360
giver could be? I feel I. I

606
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,160
believe that the tattoo giver in my head was

607
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,120
Tobias. But I think.

608
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,200
Because the way I see Sean, not only is he just an asshole, but

609
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,040
he's like a fucking giant golden retriever, right? And

610
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,760
I think he still has feelings for Cecilia.

611
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,560
And I think the necklace came from him. It's just as a

612
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,360
way of, like, a simple peace offering. But they

613
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,200
done fucked up already. Like, a simple gift like that or simple

614
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,900
gesture. Yeah, okay. Fucking draw her back in, make her

615
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:16,700
all goddamn sad again, and then go be a dick again. Yeah,

616
00:40:16,780 --> 00:40:20,580
and let's. Let's mention his fucking line to her. Like, when he came

617
00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:24,340
back and catches her with Tobias, he says something like, basically guilt

618
00:40:24,340 --> 00:40:27,980
trips her. If you would have waited for me, I would have given you

619
00:40:27,980 --> 00:40:31,620
everything you could ever want. Like, it would have been the best thing ever. But

620
00:40:31,620 --> 00:40:35,100
you fucked up. And I remember thinking, like, in what world, dude?

621
00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:38,700
What was the best thing that you could have given her? You and someone else?

622
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:41,380
Or was the plan for it to only be you? Because then what the fuck

623
00:40:41,380 --> 00:40:45,200
happens? A doll. Do you speak for the two of you?

624
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,560
Like, maybe. And do you not have any consequences? Do you not get to be

625
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,400
like, why is it all her fault? I love how, like, in book one,

626
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,000
we're like, oh, my God, she's such a. And she's such a whiner. And then

627
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,160
in book two, we're like, those guys. Those guys are

628
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,680
assholes off or ready to fight. But

629
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,320
they are. They are assholes. Okay,

630
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,400
so I'm happy we went back so we could release some of that energy.

631
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,800
Now let's get to the really sad shit. So, okay,

632
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,160
there's a scene. I don't know how

633
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,440
to, like, ease into this subject other than.

634
00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:33,690
It.