Exodus by Kate Stewart, Soldier Up, Buttercup, Pt 2

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Hey, book besties. This is part two of our exodus discussion.

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If you haven't listened to part one yet, go do that first, because

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we're diving straight into spoiler territory. The truth is

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out, the emotions are high, and we have plenty more to

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confess. Let's pick up where we last left off.

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So. But what happens, right? She. What? Where was she? She did. She

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was doing something. She had just. No, she had just gone to the

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garage to light that on fire and slash

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all their tires because she was done with Dom's

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and Sean and Tobias and everybody. So

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she went and stabbed all their tires like Carrie Underwood

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style. Like, right? And then finally there was a fire.

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And this was like the hottest thing out of all the books, of everything. I

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was like, oh, my God, this is so crazy. But so I'm so

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glad that she's, like, giving it back a

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little bit. Finally. These guys.

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So then somehow. Is that where we go?

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We go from there to like. Yeah, she goes home and then

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Dom, like, she's packing. She's finished packing. Because she's like,

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I'll leave. Yeah. She's like, I'm going to school. All you guys.

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I'm not doing this shit. You ain't leaving me. See that tattoo on

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your back? You may leave me,

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but I'll never leave you. No,

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we're not problematic. It's fine.

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So, yeah, so then you've got.

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She's packing all of her shit because she's ready to go. She's like, I'm fudge

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this place. Fudge these people. I'm done. And then all of a sudden, the door

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kind of creeps open and it's Dom and he's holding a

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gun that she, like, freaks out and

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was like, oh, shit, he's coming to. He's going to fuck me up because I

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let all their fucking. The garage and I slit their

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tires and I. Oh, he's coming for me.

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Yeah. Yep. That's. That's what I thought when I.

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When I first read it. I was like, oh, like, he

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really is a little. I'm gonna be honest, and I'm a Dom girl,

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but I did too. Like, I thought, whoopsies,

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went too far. Who's kidding?

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My man here? Do you want a fire extinguisher?

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Yeah, I apologize. I can already feel the dread building, though, of where we're

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going with this. Yeah. Do you want to keep going or you want.

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No, you go, you go, you go. Keep it. Keep it. So, okay, but

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stop me if I'm skipping something. So

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she's freaking Out. She's like, oh, my God. And then Dom's like, oh, shit. She's

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afraid of me. She thinks I'm here and I'm gonna fuck her up. So he

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puts his gun down at the doorway and, like,

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comes walking in with his hands, and he's just like, listen, dude.

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Like, I'm not. I'm not here to fuck with you. I

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just want to talk. Right. I don't even remember what all was said.

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I mean, how do we get out to the hallway?

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I think they heard a noise. Yeah, I think

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that's how we heard a noise. Me like, hold on. Chapter

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25. Is that the chapter? Yeah.

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Tris, dude, point of fath.

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Oh, that's where. What brings you here, Mateo?

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I freeze. I freeze when Dominic speaks up from the top of the stairs.

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What brings you here, Mateo? It's a little late for company.

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I race to the threshold of my room and look over Dominic's shoulder, running

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through my thoughts, dread coursing through me.

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Recall my conversation with Sean at my first meetup.

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That's Mateo and Andre. Yeah, they're from the Miami

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chapter. Business.

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Money doesn't care. Pussy that good, though.

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Okay. Basically, they're in the bedroom.

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I just. I just read. It sounded. It looks like they were getting ready to

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leave together. And that's when his phone goes off.

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He looks out and he sees Mateo. So the point is,

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there's now an intruder in Cecilia's dad's house. Cecilia

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is with Dom. Dom, being Dom, is trying to

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get the focus of the gun. Yeah. Yeah. He's trying to bluff his way

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through this, to get this fucking situation under control.

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But what we soon find out is

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he would have probably been in a better place. Place had he had

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his gun, but he had put it down to comfort Cecilia,

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make her feel safe. The reason why that's important

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is because the Miami chapter, or whatever

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we're going to call them, are there to essentially kind of

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use Cecilia as a way to get back at the

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Raven Hood. And now

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in the house, we've got Cecilia, these bad guys. Dominic

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Tobias is there, and I think

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Shawn shows up also. So she's got her three

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loves, and of the three,

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one of them makes the choice to be like, I'm gonna

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sacrifice myself. Essentially. Yeah. To save her. To save

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her. And it's Dominic. Yeah.

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I cried. Yeah. Like, I had to go

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back and reread that chapter twice. I'm like, are you fucking

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kidding me? And what's.

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What makes it. What makes it different for me is that, like. Yes, he gets

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Shot. Yes, he dies, but he dies in her arms the way

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I have. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

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yes. When I read this book,

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I. After that chapter, I had to close it. Like, I closed it

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because I was, like, sort of grieving. Like Dom. I said

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last episode, I was like, I'm more like Dom than I am like

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Cecilia. Like, I love me some Dom. Yeah.

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I wasn't surprised that he took.

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He. I think he knew the outcome. He was

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willing to do it. I think his fucked up

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mindset was he was always meant to die young. What better way

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to do it than to protect? We both know I was never gonna live

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to see 30. It was like he.

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He sort of accepted his fate before it happened. Like, he just was like,

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this is what I have to do. And then what really

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fucked me up about that? Not so much that he's gone and, you

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know, now I have to read another book where my favorite character is not here.

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It was that the. His

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last words and memories and, like,

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he essentially starts. As.

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He's basically walking to his death. Starts talking to her

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like, you know, we love rainy days, don't we, babe? Like, after

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this, you want to watch a movie? Well, I'll make that popcorn. You like. Like,

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he's reliving a favorite time in both of their

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relationships. And I saw that as if I'm gonna fucking go,

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this is what I'm gonna be thinking of. And I was like, ugh.

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Crushed. Heartbroken. I'm like, this

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fucking beautiful human being is like, I love

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this beautiful fictional character. Yeah. And I think

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it also. That whole scene really crushed Tobias, too,

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right? Because his younger brother, like, his only, like,

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truly living blood relative, besides his

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crazy aunt, is now dying in

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his lover's arms. And

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it crushed my soul. Aw.

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It crushed my soul. So true, though. So

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true, though. He took care of him for so long, like Tobias was taking care

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of Dom. He said all these things that I did was to take care of

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you. And so, yeah, to see this person die now,

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and you can't stop. It

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was brutal. Was brutal. So I

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hated that moment in this book. I also hated just how

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quickly, like, Sean and. And Tyler, I think

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it was Tyler, like, they step in. I have to rectify it. You got to

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get the fuck out, Sean. Yeah. Cause. Cause Tobias

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is like, celia, you need to get the out. Yeah. You got to get out.

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Get out, get out. And then Sean's like, all

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of a sudden there in her face, like, you need to get out, get out,

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get out. So then they take her. Sean takes her and drops

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her off of the ledge gently into Tyler's arms.

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Yes. And then leave.

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Yeah, Tyler. I remember Tyler, like, yells at her, you need a soldier up. Because

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she is like, no, this cannot be happening.

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I'm not leaving. He's not dying. Like, this is. And, like, she's full on

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panic mode. And Tyler's like, soldier up, buttercup. Get the

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out of here. Right. Yeah.

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And, like, how he, like, took her through the. Like, the back part of the

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house into the woods to where they had pulled her. Her

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car around to that. The

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edge of the woods, and she's, like, covered in blood. And

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she drives, she leaves.

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And then I think we pick back up in this book. Like, after how many

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years she leaves? I feel

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like it's like, I don't know. Six years, Four years. Yeah. No, it's six years

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because it's six years because she does

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a master's. Yeah. She goes to school.

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Yep. Living in the apartment that her

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dickhead father father set up for her.

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Yep. Because that's, like, his

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way of. Yeah. Yeah. So

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caring for, showing that he cares. Why? Why be sorry. I was like, looking. I'm

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like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The dickhead father he has, he gets. But wait, we got to go back a

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little bit. Because it was during that book two when she also got her money

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from her dad. Yes.

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Yes. And that was prior to. Yeah, prior to Dominic

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passing away. Not passing away. He got killed.

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My bad. But, like, she had gotten that money.

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Right. And that's how

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Tobias and Roman got to talking, because

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I think that all came up in book two also. But that's when

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she had gotten her money, and so she was flush with cash now.

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Yeah. Because there was nothing really holding her to triple falls anymore

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other than these men.

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And there was three. Now there's two. So,

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yeah, the story sort of. It leaves with her sort of

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rushing out of town during this horrible, traumatic event, covered in blood.

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Right. Like, she's driving and sort of just fucking going crazy.

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Then it's. It's her. I think

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she's dreaming, like, it's her however many years later. And I think

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she's dreaming of her wedding day. And it

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is to a different man. It's not Sean. It's not

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Tobias. It's not Dom. It's another guy.

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And in her calling. Calling, I'm gonna say it's

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a dream. In her dream, a waiter is delivering food. It's their wedding

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day. Sorry. It's their wedding day. People are cheersing. But it's not a dream.

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It's in it. But it. Oh, yeah, it is. Okay, yeah, you're right, you're right.

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Never mind. I didn't think so either. But here, and I'll tell. Okay,

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listeners, when you're reading the book, it's in italics. So this

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isn't normal text. It's all of a sudden it's in italics and you're like. I

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remember thinking, like, why is it in italics? Like, why is it italicized?

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But she's at. It's her wedding day. People are giving them cheers. A waiter comes

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to the table to deliver food or drink or whatever. And the

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waiter has like a rolled up sleeve and

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she sees, like the peak, like, peeking out. It's a tattoo of a raven.

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And all of a sudden she's like, right back

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to that person that she was at Triple Falls. Like. Like she almost, like, never

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left. Like, she's been undercover this whole time, sort of

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living this life. Because that's what the Raven Hood expects her to do, right? Like,

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move on, marry, pretend we don't exist.

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But here she is, kind of confronted with this life again,

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and it sort of sets her off into a spiral. Like,

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she, in my opinion, wakes up from this dream,

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realizes she's not this version of

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herself, and essentially, I

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think she's still fucking pissed where she's like, you know what? I didn't get

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closure. And I do think in that

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moment, she knows how much she loves Tobias

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and, like, that is who she chooses. And so I think she makes

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that decision then to sort of break things

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off in this new life she has and go back to Triple

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Falls to stake her claim. Hey, I

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know what I want now, and I'm not gonna just forget that

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this ever existed. Yeah, like, she physically

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recovered from Triple Falls, but she never

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emotionally recovered because she didn't go back for Dom's

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funeral. She didn't

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during this time, like, her father had passed away, didn't

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go back for his funeral. You know, she's sitting on a

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fucking chunk of change and

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trying to, like. And she's with a man. She's with Colin, just.

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But it's not the man she wants to be with. And she wants to, like,

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emotionally, like, get back in a better fucking headspace.

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And also kind of wants to be able to cut ties with Triple Halls

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after all. And so that's kind of where she goes after

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she's, like, graduated college and, you know, and her

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dad, when her dad died, she inherited the factories and all of the

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businesses and whatever from dad.

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So. But this. Remember last episode,

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I was saying the author did this thing where

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somewhere in book two, I think it was like, it's this moment where

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she decides, I'm gonna go back. I'm going back to

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Triple Falls. I'm going. I know what I want. I choose this. I'm going

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here, right where you can now go and read that

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prologue of book one. And it is now. Like, I mean,

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it is the now. When is it? Read it. Do you have it? Do you

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have it? Which part? That. That

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snippet. This. I'm. The prologue part?

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Yeah, yeah, it's right here. Read it again.

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Because if it. If it applies to where you're trying to go in this, I

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want to know. She goes, that's why I'm here to. I'm skipping

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ahead because I read that first part, the last one, where she's like,

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let me clarify. I grew up believing that real love stories. Da, da, da, da.

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Okay. So she goes, that's why I'm here. To feed, to grieve, and to me

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and maybe to cure my sickness. It's here that it started,

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and it's here where I have to end it. Then she goes in.

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It's a ghost town, this place that haunts me, this place that made me

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a few weeks shy of my 19th birthday. So she's going back into, like,

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here's where I am. I have to end it. It's now a ghost town.

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And then she keeps going in. I had zero regrets, blah, blah, blah. So it's

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like, okay. For years, I've tried to convince myself that life

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exists after love. Like, she's going back to, like,

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middle of Exodus. She decides, I'm going back. Prologue of

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Flock is her returning

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to the Then. So now we're caught up. We're caught up to then

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code. We're caught up to now. Right? Does that. It's hard

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to explain. The now in Exodus is the

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prologue of Flock. That's why it's then. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. It's like this loop. And I think. And again, this could. I could

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be wrong. To me, I'm like, it would be so fucking

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sweet in my brain if the reason that there's a loop there,

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because it's the middle of Exodus, it's not the end of Exodus. The reason why

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there's, like, a loop there is because that's the trauma she can't get over.

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Like, she goes back to that life in the middle of

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Exodus. And then Exodus, the second half of it,

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is the her taking back her power.

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Yeah. She's like, I'm back. Hello, Triple Falls. Did you

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miss me? She's now going back to her dad's house. It's

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empty. I thought it was interesting that as she's

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walking in the house, her memories,

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those italic texts in the book

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of like the living room or the dining room, and like, it plays the

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stories of what she remembers happening there. The staircase

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with Tobias. With Tobias. And then she sees. I think

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it's like the staircase or the second or wherever that is. And then she's seeing

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Dom die. And there's no bullet holes. There's. Everything is

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completely like none of that ever happened.

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And so, yeah, she starts to. To take her shit back

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and comes with a plan

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for her now business that she got back from her dad.

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She wants to sell it, but she's like, fuck this place. I.

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I'm gonna be done with it. But then, like, she's gotta end it with

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Tobias. Like, she's gotta face Tobias right then why.

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And he's basically. Oh, oh, what about the. The. The

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Zippo lighter and the clinking of the glass three times to let them.

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Three, three. He does things.

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Yeah. She comes back so madly in love with

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Tobias, goes to visit

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Sean, get her closure there, and

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he's happy. He's moved on. He still loves her,

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but he's moved on. Doesn't she get.

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Does she get Dominic's car in this book? Yeah,

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but not for a bit. Not until. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

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Which is fine. I mean, spoiler alert. Yeah. Because you know, when

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Dom was alive, she said that she would drive his car one day.

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Womp, womp. Oh my God. Your brain is like a

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steel fucking trap, dude. But great.

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The point of her coming back though, I think, is when she becomes a badass.

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Well, she technically in my brain, became a badass when she fought back in that

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fight. But she comes back, she goes to

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deal with her father's business, only to find that there's a partner or like somebody

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owns half her. I forget how that all plays out, but the

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person is Tobias. Oh. What it was

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is there was a buyer. They were looking for buyers

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for. For it. And it was somebody who was very secretive. Like they

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didn't want to have their. Their name listed or anything.

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And like going back to the douchery of Tobias,

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you know, of, you know, being super secretive, you

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know, Is that a fucking shaker? Yes,

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she is. Oh, yes, it is.

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Brilliant. That is brilliant. Have you had three of those or two of

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those? I mean, technically it's one still from the same poor.

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It's just hanging out on my third, though. Okay. Yeah,

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you're not doing any bathroom repairs today.

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But what I. What immediately drew me to that

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was once we kind of, like, figured out who the

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third buyer was or the second buyer was, was, you know,

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Tobias, and, you know, being super sneaky and super

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secretive, like he's been the entire fucking time, like the master

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not laying all his cards on the table. And,

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yeah, this part is the studio I like, because she's. She's got some

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balls because she walked away from her wedding. She's like, fuck all of

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this. I need to emotionally heal. Calling, I

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love you, but I don't fucking love you. And you know what? I need some

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more of that Frenchman dick, all right? Or whatever. I need to, like,

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get some closure. Yeah. Her heart belongs to

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Tobias. She. She may love Colin because she says, like, he's

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tender and, you know, all the things, he treats her with respect,

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you know? Right. Stuff like that. But all the things every.

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Every human on the planet says they want. And then reads Tobias,

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and it's like, maybe I want a little bit of that, too. The heart wants

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what it wants. It wants Tobias. And she comes back. The heart or

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the clitoris? She's thinking, what her duke? No,

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she. What I loved about this, though,

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was that while she's thinking with

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her dick, she also is setting boundaries

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where she's like, if you want, okay, the sale

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of the. Of the company, you have to meet me in person and have a

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conversation with me. Because Tobias was going to do it all absently, like,

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I'm going to take this company, but I. You'll never see me. She's like, the

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fuck I won't. If you want it, you will show up. And so

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he does. And then she forces the conversation of, like,

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I don't even remember how it starts, but I remember one

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scene where they had a restaurant or something,

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and, like, Tobias has another lady, and she shows up. And

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Cecilia, finally, the reason it stands out to me is cause she finally, like,

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speaks. She shares what's going on in her

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heart and her emotions of, like, man, he's like, hey,

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we've all moved on. It's been however many years. Like, we're moving on. And she's

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like, well, I can't. I can never move on because I still care about you.

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Like, I still think about you, and. And I.

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I cannot move on. So good. Great. And gravy for everybody else to keep it

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moving, but I'm fucked. Like, we're gonna talk about this, and I want you to

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know how I feel. And I think it breaks Tobias because

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he was. He's trying to be like,

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visually, I've got my shit together, and you don't matter to me,

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but you do. And I also can't move on.

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I'm just pretending to move on. I think

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the other thing, too, that happened in that whole couple

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of scenes is when she came back to Triple Falls and

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how shunned she was. Like when she went to Eddie's bar

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and when she tried to drive by the garage or

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when she went to Tessa's

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dress shop. That's where she found out that Tessa was

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married to Sean and that they had two kids.

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I mean, like, fucking just stab her in the goddamn heart. She's already, like,

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pain in pain now, but, like, just keep putting that

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knife in a little bit deeper. Yeah. Because it's like,

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it wasn't. It's not. It was never easy for her.

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So these other individuals not only have moved on, but in such big ways. To

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your point, marriage and kids. Like, what the fuck? He's like,

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I just had a nightmare. I tore up my whole wedding dress when I woke

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up. Not the same for me. We don't have the same experience.

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Right. Right. This is not how it was for me.

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Right. Like, how can you just move on? Like, everything that we shared and everything

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that we had, how can you just move on but spend

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six years. Like, how long do you.

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How long do you grieve a relationship?

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Clearly, six years is the number, right? Yeah. Or.

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Or eight months to get your dick wet.

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Well, I mean, you know,

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what I thought was really. What I thought was really interesting is when the,

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um. And they. The sale concluded. Right. And how she was going to

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have 30% of the company and, you know, she was going to sit on the

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board. That fucking pissed Tobias off. Like, he was

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nobody's business, man. He would. He was.

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Oh, he was like a crotchety old man. He didn't want anything

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to do with her. He would, like, slam his laptop shut. She would go to

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talk to him, and he'd just be like, why do you think, though?

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I think it's because he's not

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getting his way. Oh, okay. Yeah,

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he wasn't getting his way. You know, he is now seeing

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Cecilia in a whole different light. She grew up. You know what?

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She's tired of them fucking boys. You guys all fucked me up emotionally.

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I am going to take. Take this back. You're going to sit down, shut up,

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and listen to the words that I've got to fucking say to you, or I'm

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going to, like, make your life miserable. You Little shits. I'm gonna cut

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your nuts off and not care about it, okay? I'm gonna feed

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him to the little. I'm gonna feed him to a little dog, okay?

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They may be out there chomping on him for a couple hours, but I'm gonna

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feed him to a dog. But I think that, like, he did

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not let the. Let the ravens have it.

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Pecking at their berries. Pecking at your berries, you little

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bitch.

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I want to be my pants. But,

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like, he was seeing a side of

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her that he didn't know how to control

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because he's always been in control until she grew up.

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And grip hair. That is so interesting.

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I love that. I love that. I never thought about it like

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that, actually. But you're onto something because he threw a

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temper tantrum when he found out she was in town, too, right? Like

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so. Yeah, maybe that's. That is it. That's the. The. The heart of it is

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he doesn't get his way and he throws a little fucking temper tantrum. I was

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like, I saw it as.

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He's a little bitch. He's a little bitch.

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He wanted her to sell it to him. Get the fuck out of here. So

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I never have to see you and know how weak I am

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because of you. And the fact that she wouldn't

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just leave and he couldn't just walk all over her

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forced him to acknowledge. I

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can't live without Cecilia. Cecilia is my

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person. And then, like, okay,

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the girl don't never. She don't fucking learn, all right? Even though

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she's now on top of the world, the pussy wants what it wants.

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She does. Apparently. It wanted Tobias. Okay?

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It wanted the long dong.

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The sultry French speaking dong. That's what she

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wanted. Because then she. They. They hook up again.

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So. Talk about consent. Yeah. That is

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not. That was not. She

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pass out in his car, like, after that dinner where, like,

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she basically confesses all her. I think she falls asleep in the car and he

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starts undressing her and touching her titties. Weird.

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Tobias. Yeah. Zero. Like.

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Yeah. But then she would give me a little

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consent. I nodded my head yes. Okay.

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It's okay to do that. I mean, she wanted. It also sounds

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creepy, me saying that out loud, but I do remember that because.

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Nacho, you said something. Yeah. Those French doors play up. Yeah, they do.

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Like, I remember after that scene, I was so weirded out.

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But she wakes up, he didn't like, you know, he doesn't have sex with

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her while she's asleep. He just touches her titties. But when she wakes up,

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he's sitting outside the French doors.

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So, yeah. And I took the whole thing as

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she loves him, and she's

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going to make sure that he knows that and that she's not giving up

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and that she kind

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of doesn't care that he's doing all the things,

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but he's. I don't know. I just. The mushroom

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stamp right straight on the forehead for me. That's what

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that looked like for me. Yeah. And then she kind of, like, goes back

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on her word a little bit at the end. But. But

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what I think is kind of, kind of good with this, this book, right, is

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like, she's got the upper hand in the second half of this book.

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Like, she is now the fucking puppet master. And Tobias is like

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this little dog with his tail behind his legs.

457
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:55,420
But the scene that I thought was kind of funny is when

458
00:29:55,420 --> 00:29:58,220
Colin comes and him and Tobias.

459
00:29:59,180 --> 00:30:03,020
Huh? She's so fucking brutal.

460
00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:07,500
She's like, Tobias level, brutal. Dude. It was

461
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:12,550
epic. And when,

462
00:30:12,550 --> 00:30:16,150
like, Tobias, like. Didn't Tobias punch

463
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:20,870
Colin? I think so. He had a bloody nose. Yeah, because he was like.

464
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:24,630
He, like, interrupted some stuff, I thought. Oh,

465
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:28,790
yes. I remember because. Okay,

466
00:30:30,550 --> 00:30:32,710
let me ask this question now before I confess.

467
00:30:36,340 --> 00:30:40,060
Of the three, who. If you were Cecilia. Of the

468
00:30:40,060 --> 00:30:41,140
three, who are you choosing?

469
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:47,940
I'm gonna pick Tobias. Just like, if you were Cecilia and you're

470
00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:51,620
coming back to town for anybody to lay your heart out there on the

471
00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:55,060
line. And the two of. Oh, like, like

472
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:58,500
assuming Dom is alive. No, Dom shot. Okay.

473
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:01,460
I love. I mean, Colin. And they're all available?

474
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:05,780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're all available. Who? Who? I'm going reverse harem.

475
00:31:06,890 --> 00:31:10,010
Oh, I'm going reverse harem. I want them all.

476
00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:14,250
We can eventually, like, fade out, whatever you want to do, but I'm

477
00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:17,930
here for it. Let's have a house. The house is big enough. I

478
00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:21,370
mean, I've read way worse books. What about you, G?

479
00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:25,850
It would be Tobias, because he's dark and dangerous,

480
00:31:26,490 --> 00:31:30,210
very secretive. A lot of the shit

481
00:31:30,210 --> 00:31:33,290
he does really pisses me off. But, you know, if the sex is good, like,

482
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,240
I don't know, you can look past it. Maybe I can,

483
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,880
like, look past it. But Colin

484
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,920
is too, too nice.

485
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,120
And, and Sean, like I said, he's just a golden retriever

486
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:53,120
with, like, a bad side and just

487
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,880
a little bit too much of a granola head for me. Like, I need somebody

488
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,200
that's got some pride in him. Poor Sean. I really fucked him up on this

489
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,240
one. I know. I, I, I love

490
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,440
Sean. I love Sean. A Ton and a

491
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,280
bunch. Because he's like.

492
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,600
When we just pick out the good parts,

493
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,120
he's really into, like, let's expand our horizons.

494
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,160
Let's do something different than everybody else. Let's not think about

495
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,000
it this way. Let's think about it this way. Let's teach

496
00:32:28,190 --> 00:32:31,670
Cecilia how to, like, you know, ball

497
00:32:31,670 --> 00:32:35,230
bust the guy so that she doesn't feel like I have to be the one

498
00:32:35,230 --> 00:32:38,990
to do it all the time. Let's teach her things. Let's empower her, right?

499
00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:41,470
Like, empower her and give her those things. And I think some of the things

500
00:32:41,470 --> 00:32:45,150
that. That he does in the first book help her

501
00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:47,630
throughout the rest of the story. 100%.

502
00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:52,030
So I love Sean. Plus, who doesn't love like

503
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,560
a waterfall? Who doesn't love girl

504
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,560
float, which we still don't know what kind it is. I'm. No, I'm

505
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,400
down. Yep. Yep. The doc. That's what I'm at. That's

506
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,760
where I'm at. But who doesn't love,

507
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,640
like. I don't know. He just feeds a part of my personality that needs

508
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,240
that saccharine. Yeah.

509
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,050
Spice. Yeah.

510
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:24,610
I'm going Tobias. Going Tobias.

511
00:33:26,530 --> 00:33:29,650
Probably more so than Dom because

512
00:33:30,050 --> 00:33:33,810
it really, really. For this story,

513
00:33:33,890 --> 00:33:37,650
let's just say for this story, right, he's not my favorite book

514
00:33:37,650 --> 00:33:41,410
boyfriend out there, but, like, for this story, I loved him the

515
00:33:41,410 --> 00:33:45,170
most because it felt like he was the only one

516
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,400
to claim her and, like,

517
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,280
he didn't want to share her. She is mine.

518
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,480
That's my lady. Like, that is. Like, that, for me was

519
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,759
a huge turn on. Also, he's a little bit older. He's

520
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:05,080
successful. I'm into that shit. He's

521
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,840
massive. Yes. What'd you guys think about when

522
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,640
Associa found out about what happened to Dom's parents?

523
00:34:13,810 --> 00:34:17,650
Oh, Mother. God damn that lady.

524
00:34:17,970 --> 00:34:19,090
Son of a bitch.

525
00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:26,410
I thought and I wondered, did the

526
00:34:26,410 --> 00:34:30,170
dad know? I think he did. Right. Her father knew and covered

527
00:34:30,170 --> 00:34:33,770
it for the mother. So I think I was

528
00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:37,610
more angry that, if anything, the mother let the

529
00:34:37,610 --> 00:34:39,650
dad take the fall as being such a piece of shit.

530
00:34:41,499 --> 00:34:45,019
But, like, that says a lot. Cecilia or just. Yeah, yeah.

531
00:34:45,019 --> 00:34:47,659
First, like, Cecilia the mom.

532
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:51,099
Yeah, it's the bourbon,

533
00:34:53,099 --> 00:34:56,859
I think. I mean, in my opinion, it was like the mom let Cecilia

534
00:34:58,139 --> 00:35:01,899
sort of harbor these negative emotions and feelings

535
00:35:01,899 --> 00:35:05,499
that her dad was just a piece of shit. Right? Like, he's rich.

536
00:35:05,890 --> 00:35:09,330
He doesn't give us anything. He's a piece of shit.

537
00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:12,930
But I think he gave you probably

538
00:35:13,090 --> 00:35:15,970
more than that. Like, he covered up for you.

539
00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:21,330
Yeah, No, I was Fucked up about it.

540
00:35:21,730 --> 00:35:25,410
I was fucked up about it, too, because, like, that whole, like, power dynamic

541
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:29,330
that Tobias and. And Roman

542
00:35:29,330 --> 00:35:32,910
had, because Roman. Tobias found out from

543
00:35:32,910 --> 00:35:36,710
Roman that night, the night that Dominic

544
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:40,310
died, that Cecilia's mom was the one who had started.

545
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:44,590
Caused the fire or whatever, or didn't cause a

546
00:35:44,590 --> 00:35:47,270
fire, but left her parents in there.

547
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:51,110
And so he kind of already had that guilt.

548
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:54,870
And this is the man that he's been hunting forever and

549
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:59,920
having to, like, having to, like, take care of the

550
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:03,720
whole fucking Miami crew. So to me, that was like, what the fuck just

551
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,920
happened? I had to go back and read the chapter. I was like,

552
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,200
okay, this is fucked up. Yeah.

553
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,600
Wow. Yeah. Every like. And like to that, too.

554
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,240
It's like Tobias building a whole world, essentially, for this revenge on this

555
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:22,920
person, and it wasn't the right person. Now you're,

556
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,120
like, kind of, like, looking at this man, like, oh, he actually did something. I

557
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,100
like that these three give you closure.

558
00:36:30,540 --> 00:36:33,900
Yeah, I like that. I mean, for me, like, I

559
00:36:34,540 --> 00:36:38,220
liked the book. I liked the book a lot. It left

560
00:36:38,220 --> 00:36:40,300
me angry, though, in parts. I'm like,

561
00:36:42,940 --> 00:36:46,300
I'm glad you found your balls. Cecilia finally.

562
00:36:46,780 --> 00:36:50,620
Fuck, man. You need to, like, fight the fuck back.

563
00:36:51,420 --> 00:36:54,720
So I want to know what you guys thought about

564
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,320
when Cecilia talked to.

565
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,200
She reads a letter that her mom had wrote to her dad about

566
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,280
the fire and everything. What was your take

567
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,160
from Cecilia to Tobias on that? Because,

568
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,920
like, I think at that point is when she really, like,

569
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,200
fucking turned the corner.

570
00:37:20,250 --> 00:37:23,850
With Tobias? Yeah, with Tobias. Because,

571
00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:27,770
like, she, you know, he had lied to her

572
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:29,850
for, you know, her.

573
00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:36,090
Let me go back. I mean, like. Like. Like he knew more than

574
00:37:36,570 --> 00:37:40,170
she knew, more than he was, like, letting on. But she doesn't know that he

575
00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:43,930
knows yet. She doesn't know that he knows yet.

576
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:50,020
I think she kind of accepts that he has secrets. So

577
00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:53,820
I don't know if it impacted her in a

578
00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:57,460
way that, you know, she thought he was always telling her the truth kind of

579
00:37:57,460 --> 00:38:00,180
a thing. I think she was more so like,

580
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:04,660
oh, this is what he's been hiding. I

581
00:38:04,660 --> 00:38:07,860
think it fucked up her relationship with her mom than it did more than with

582
00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:11,620
Tobias, because now she's pissed at her mom, and now she's

583
00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:15,380
having a rethink on her relationship with her dad, but she's like, he's dead

584
00:38:15,380 --> 00:38:17,510
and gone, so I can't do anything about that.

585
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:23,110
So, yeah, I think that affects the relationship there way

586
00:38:23,110 --> 00:38:26,950
more. Yeah. Yeah. And then, like, when she's,

587
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:30,670
you know, when she's sitting in the cafe, you

588
00:38:30,670 --> 00:38:34,470
know, eating and accidentally like, lights her book on fire

589
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:38,190
and she's in there with Tobias

590
00:38:38,190 --> 00:38:41,790
and Alicia are there, right? And they're at another table and she's like, hoping that

591
00:38:41,790 --> 00:38:45,040
they don't sit anywhere next to her. And

592
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,960
Tobias gets really fucking pissed. Ushers

593
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,720
her out the back. Isn't. Doesn't he usher out the back

594
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,640
or something? Or if she goes home, he comes to her house

595
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,520
in like a super angry fuck. Before.

596
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,760
Yeah, like, talk about non consensual to me.

597
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,840
I was like. He was like, this is what you want. Take it. You're a

598
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,690
fucking dick. And he was. He was drunk as hell and

599
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:15,370
like, you know, was breaking shit and like, you know, fucking her against

600
00:39:15,370 --> 00:39:19,090
the. I guess it was like a little table right there

601
00:39:19,090 --> 00:39:21,610
in the entryway. And I was like,

602
00:39:23,370 --> 00:39:27,130
I'd like you, but now you're a fucking dick. Yeah,

603
00:39:27,370 --> 00:39:30,410
but he, like, he maintains dick energy,

604
00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:35,130
right? He just maintains dick energy. The whole,

605
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:38,650
like, he's consistent in this. In these first two books about.

606
00:39:39,370 --> 00:39:42,890
I'm just. I'm just an asshole. Like, that's who I am.

607
00:39:42,890 --> 00:39:45,770
That's who you know. You tell me you love me, this is what you get.

608
00:39:46,090 --> 00:39:49,130
This is not where I'm at. But now I can't resist this

609
00:39:50,650 --> 00:39:54,330
intensity or whatever behind us. So I'm going to give you mad

610
00:39:54,330 --> 00:39:58,010
angry text. And she's like, yeah, okay, go for it.

611
00:39:59,930 --> 00:40:03,460
She understood what it was, that it was

612
00:40:04,420 --> 00:40:08,100
probably going to be the last time because she was done

613
00:40:09,540 --> 00:40:12,980
after everything that had happened at the restaurant and the way he was, like, being

614
00:40:12,980 --> 00:40:16,540
a dick and like. But she was just going to take it in and be

615
00:40:16,540 --> 00:40:20,300
the thing, I guess, even though she knows and she did say she

616
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:23,620
loves him. She always love him. Like, she always. Right.

617
00:40:25,060 --> 00:40:28,820
But I think that this is sort of like, for

618
00:40:28,820 --> 00:40:32,620
me, it read as a bittersweet goodbye.

619
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:39,500
I thought a really. Another, like, super interesting

620
00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:43,260
part of the book is when, you know,

621
00:40:43,820 --> 00:40:47,380
Dom had taught Cecilia how to drive, like, very aggressively,

622
00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:51,060
right? And remember the scene in the book where she's driving her audi

623
00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:54,700
at like 126 miles an hour and, you know,

624
00:40:54,860 --> 00:40:58,580
tip and tail. Yeah. Yeah. That was a good. That was fun.

625
00:40:59,780 --> 00:41:03,620
That was fun. Just for her to like, kind of break out of, like, the

626
00:41:03,620 --> 00:41:06,660
woe is me bullshit and, like, get into a little bit of trouble

627
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:12,860
and like, like, how the am I gonna get around? And, like, people are trying

628
00:41:12,860 --> 00:41:16,340
to get her a car. And it was. To me, it was just kind of

629
00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:19,980
funny. Like, you know what? Fuck it. Yeah. I just don't

630
00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:23,650
fucking care anymore. And like, balls to the wall. In these crazy

631
00:41:23,650 --> 00:41:27,330
roads. And I was like, wow,

632
00:41:27,330 --> 00:41:31,130
okay. You know, now she's kind of, like, getting back into her senses.

633
00:41:31,850 --> 00:41:34,890
So that was. To me, that was kind of funny. Okay. Tobias

634
00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:39,009
fucking her on that table. It was angry,

635
00:41:39,009 --> 00:41:42,850
sloppy, dirty. Like, I think he tried to make

636
00:41:42,850 --> 00:41:46,650
it horrible. Yeah, I think he tried to make it horrible for her.

637
00:41:47,130 --> 00:41:50,870
And she was like, I'll be the punching bag. Like, I'll

638
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:54,590
be your punching bag. But with that thought, knowing that it

639
00:41:54,590 --> 00:41:58,430
could never be as gross as he was trying to make it, like

640
00:41:58,430 --> 00:42:02,070
they were still going to have some sort of feelings or connection or

641
00:42:02,070 --> 00:42:05,830
whatever, it feels so very cheesy to say it out loud. But, like,

642
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:09,510
the first time they had sex, it was the same thing. Was like, oh, whoa.

643
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:13,910
You know what I mean? So, like, yeah. Their connection is just so strong,

644
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:17,300
I suppose, that even when he's trying to make it gross sex,

645
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:21,500
it's not. And she's like, okay, yeah, if that's what you want to call

646
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:25,180
it, sure. But we know what this means, and we

647
00:42:25,180 --> 00:42:28,660
both love each other. Yeah. Yeah. And he knows it, too.

648
00:42:28,740 --> 00:42:32,300
And that doesn't. Doesn't play out the way he

649
00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:33,060
hoped it would.

650
00:42:35,780 --> 00:42:39,500
But I do think it's interesting, I guess, where this

651
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:41,620
book ends and the next one begins

652
00:42:43,950 --> 00:42:47,630
to see the change in who Tobias is as a character. So,

653
00:42:48,430 --> 00:42:52,190
yeah, I thought the other cool thing was

654
00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:55,990
when Cecilia got Dom's car because, you know, Sean

655
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:59,630
had completely fixed up the Camaro and,

656
00:43:00,030 --> 00:43:03,590
you know, gave her. Physically gave her the keys, and then the

657
00:43:03,590 --> 00:43:07,150
necklace was, like, hanging in the rear view mirror.

658
00:43:08,110 --> 00:43:11,870
I was like, oh, okay.

659
00:43:12,990 --> 00:43:16,790
So can I ask. Sean's not such an asshole. Do you think Sean put

660
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:20,110
the necklace there, or do you think Dom had that necklace hanging there?

661
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:23,950
Didn't he have it still on the fence?

662
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:29,390
We don't know. We don't know if that had always been hanging there.

663
00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:33,950
This will be my research for this week. Okay. You'll circle back

664
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:36,270
on the third episode of. Yeah,

665
00:43:38,420 --> 00:43:41,220
I've got, like. Because I feel like it was already in there.

666
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:47,420
I don't know. I don't remember. I. My steel trap memory is

667
00:43:47,420 --> 00:43:51,060
not that good. Okay, so

668
00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:55,300
we've got a lot that we covered in this episode. So much

669
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:58,820
we will do. We want to give it, like, a final

670
00:43:58,820 --> 00:43:59,620
rating of.

671
00:44:03,070 --> 00:44:06,430
Of, I don't know, spice or. Do we recommend this? What. What are we doing

672
00:44:06,430 --> 00:44:10,270
here? Oh, I. I highly recommend it, but you have to read. Yeah.

673
00:44:10,270 --> 00:44:13,630
Yeah. We have to read book one first to understand what happens in

674
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:17,790
just in book two. But these

675
00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:21,510
people still need therapy. Okay. There's a whole bunch of them. All need

676
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:25,350
to go to therapy. We all need therapy. G. I

677
00:44:25,350 --> 00:44:28,600
mean, for me, this. The Spice was hot. It was,

678
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,800
it was. There was some very questionable

679
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,560
morals going on. It was soaked with grief

680
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,360
and. But I also

681
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,280
saw Cecilia coming into her own. So. Yeah, I'm going

682
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,720
to recommend this book. I'm going to give. Wasn't quite as

683
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:51,440
spicy as book one. How many are Fathers and Hail Marys? Okay,

684
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,280
it's still 17 Hail Marys and four

685
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,880
Our Fathers. Go check in Mr.

686
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,260
Sex, Therap and Nacho. Last

687
00:45:02,260 --> 00:45:05,980
episode, you gave flock a PG13 level rating of

688
00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:09,140
Spice. What are you rating this? Yeah, no, I'm still there. Still

689
00:45:09,140 --> 00:45:12,900
PG13. Still PG13. I have like all three

690
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:16,980
like this. This series has just been chill for me.

691
00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:20,260
I like as far as the sex scenes go, the

692
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:24,340
emotional roller coaster of book two. And then having read

693
00:45:24,980 --> 00:45:26,180
just finished book three.

694
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,400
I would never. I would never like

695
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,680
Kate Stewart, whoever you are, wherever you are,

696
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,040
you're a fucking goddess of epic

697
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,800
proportions to take me on this fucking roller coaster.

698
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,360
I love these characters. Even the assholes,

699
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,040
even the dicks, even the whiners. I love

700
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,820
these characters. Every. Everything that

701
00:45:55,820 --> 00:45:58,460
she's done so far, even when I didn't like it, I liked it.

702
00:46:01,980 --> 00:46:05,740
So, like, just from my perspective as the older lesbian

703
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:09,860
in the room, like, I appreciate the fantasy of

704
00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:13,700
that, of the man, and I know he knows exactly what he wants, but

705
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:17,420
I also want to know, like, how do you apologize and

706
00:46:17,420 --> 00:46:21,260
communicate your respect emotionally and like, get consent? Because he

707
00:46:21,260 --> 00:46:25,100
kind of steamrolled her in a couple of those. Couple of sections

708
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:28,500
in the book. And I'm like, yeah,

709
00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:33,140
like, I don't know. Do better. Do better.

710
00:46:33,540 --> 00:46:35,700
It. He reminded me of like.

711
00:46:39,780 --> 00:46:43,140
When a sex addict gets into, like, leadership. Okay. Like,

712
00:46:43,540 --> 00:46:46,820
he couldn't keep it in his pants. Jesus Christ.

713
00:46:49,460 --> 00:46:53,170
Damn. But those are like, those are his. Those are

714
00:46:53,170 --> 00:46:56,930
his flaws. Those are his character flaws. Those are what make him who

715
00:46:56,930 --> 00:47:00,650
he is as far as. Right. Who

716
00:47:00,650 --> 00:47:04,290
he needs to be in the book. I don't know. I just love with all

717
00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:08,130
of their inappropriateness, with all of his inappropriateness and all

718
00:47:08,130 --> 00:47:11,010
of his fuckery,

719
00:47:11,970 --> 00:47:14,770
he's still a great character. Still

720
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:21,960
a whiplash of happy and sad and happy and

721
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,800
sad in both books. I also

722
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,600
kind of felt like the book needs a safe word more than they needed

723
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,560
group therapy. All right. Because there were a lot of like, non consistent. Well,

724
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,960
you know what's going to happen in group therapy with these, with these

725
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,160
characters. Right? Right.

726
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,550
You know, it's about to happen. We only have three. I read that

727
00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:48,390
book too. Not three. That would have been an interesting

728
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:51,910
scene. The three and the one. It would have been. There's. There's. There's.

729
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:56,110
What is it called? Fanfic. There's fanfic

730
00:47:56,110 --> 00:47:59,910
somewhere with it. I'm here for it. I would give it.

731
00:47:59,910 --> 00:48:03,590
I would say I'm with Nacho on

732
00:48:03,590 --> 00:48:06,230
spice. I don't think it's spicy.

733
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:11,370
I feel like it's, like, surprisingly, I feel. Book

734
00:48:11,370 --> 00:48:14,650
two, even though there is some very angry sex,

735
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:18,890
I feel it's, like, very mild.

736
00:48:19,530 --> 00:48:21,530
Yeah, it was tame.

737
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:27,410
There was a lot of grief in this book, both emotionally

738
00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:30,490
and physically. And so I had a hard time with it.

739
00:48:32,170 --> 00:48:35,760
And I just wanted to shake them both and be like, get your

740
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,960
fucking shit together. Like,

741
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,520
I don't know. Have better intentions.

742
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,640
And quit with the secrets. Stop thinking with your dick.

743
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,480
Stop thinking. Stop thinking with your dick. And

744
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,240
then it wouldn't be a smut novel.

745
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,440
Or think more with your dick. And raise up that spice level.

746
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,410
Yes. Don't worry, I've

747
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:05,010
got things in the works.

748
00:49:07,170 --> 00:49:10,530
You guys are gonna hate me. You're never gonna wanna talk to me.

749
00:49:11,090 --> 00:49:14,810
No, it's gonna be fine. So I can't wait for next week when

750
00:49:14,810 --> 00:49:18,530
we get into book three. The finish line. Where

751
00:49:18,690 --> 00:49:22,370
do we go from here? The finish line.

752
00:49:22,770 --> 00:49:25,410
Who's finishing first? Do they finish together?

753
00:49:26,610 --> 00:49:30,110
Does she finish first? Only if he's a

754
00:49:30,110 --> 00:49:30,710
gentleman.

755
00:49:39,590 --> 00:49:42,790
But the author literally always makes sure that she does too.

756
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:48,710
Because that's what real men do. They let her finish first.

757
00:49:54,170 --> 00:49:54,410
It.